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Acceleration: F40, F50, Enzo, CGT & Veyron

Discussion in '288GTO/F40/F50/Enzo/LaFerrari/F80' started by Bill S, Aug 30, 2009.

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  1. malebomb01

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  2. SSNISTR

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    #427 SSNISTR, Apr 27, 2010
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    He is a 15 post troll who doesn't understand what we are trying to say. He thinks that if someone calls a engine "A" that it must be "A". All I was trying to do is explain cc conversion. Not all companies follow it due to somethings "sounding better". But what is right is right. At least you seem to have the knowledge to understand.
     
  3. malebomb01

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    So why is the Ferrari 308 not called 298? The cc is 2926...

    Why is the F512 not called the f4912? The cc is 4942...
     
  4. Bill S

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    What does all this have to do with Acceleration: F40, F50, Enzo, CGT & Veyron? I suggest starting a new thread in a forum where people care about this.
     
  5. malebomb01

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    I understand exactly with what you're saying. You think that a 4249cc engine SHOULD be labeled 4.2l and a 4251cc engine SHOULD be labeled 4.3l. I personally agree that is how I look at it, but that is not the way it is always done as I have showed you. As for me being a "15 post troll" my post count has no relevance to my opinion.


    Why not get back on topic and quit argueing about BS...
     
  6. malebomb01

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    Sorry about going off topic...
     
  7. SSNISTR

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    #432 SSNISTR, Apr 27, 2010
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    Last post on this, sorry Bill.

    A car company can call an engine what they want. The whole world knows this. Sometimes it sounds better to round it up. Mercedes-Benz did this with the 6.3 and most magazines question it. Does that mean the engine is a 6.3? No, technically it is a 6.2. Yes the Z06 has a 428 technically. They call it a 427 since that has always been a GM number and Ford has always had a 428. But it is a 428. The F40 has a 2936cc engine which if you want to get super technical is a 2.936L engine. Yes, some may round it up to a 3.0L. But technically, and to an engineer it is a 2.9L engine. Hence why most will refer to it as a 2.9L engine including myself. That is all I am trying to get across.
     
  8. Bill S

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    #433 Bill S, Apr 27, 2010
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    Guys, to put this to bed... I am an engineer and we want to know EXACTLY what the engine displacement is. The F40 is 2936 cm3 and that's what's in the Owner's Manual.

    What the marketing department uses depends on legal approval. If legal says it's OK to use a rounded-up, rounded-down, or exact value, then that's what they use.

    It has nothing to do with engineering, physics or math. It all comes down to what the marketing and legal department want (and are allowed) to say in their public-facing material.
     
  9. RICE RACING

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    Hi Bill,

    I have been sending yo a couple of PM's but not sure if you have got them. Have you been trying to send me the Race Logic files from your F40? to my E-Mail [email protected] ? I have not had any show up.

    If you have not or don't want to send them please let me know, have been keenly awaiting an E-Mail :( but none so far :(

    Best Regards.

    Peter
    *fellow engineer*
     
  10. Bill S

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    Hi Peter. See my PM. I prefer not to distribute the file because it contains personal information. As I mentioned in the PM, we've been remotely comparing acceleration between cars using 60 to 130 mph GPS times (with height) and moved away from HP a while ago because it never really answered the ultimate question... which car is faster?
     
  11. RICE RACING

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    HI bill, thanks for the PM, I sent you a reply (if we can talk over E-Mail that would be great).

    I just want to say in this thread, I appreciate reading the *on topic items*. I did not expect to see a level of off topic ranting like what I experience in some other forums with lower intellect user base driving bombs!

    I'd love it if boys could keep off topic items out of this thread so when I log in to check what is happening I can read great posts like those of F40LM and BillS or any other contributor who is posting up relevant engineering information/articles etc. Even to see a discussion of the elements involved around testing or weights etc is very interesting to me being an engineer like Bill.

    Some respect for the thread and the contributors to it and a healthy discussion is what the F40 deserves :)
     
  12. SSNISTR

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    #437 SSNISTR, Apr 28, 2010
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    Before making any "demands" on a public forum where members can say what they want, when they want, try taking two minutes to fill out your profile....
     
  13. RICE RACING

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    There you go ;)

    You have 6000+ posts on here, nice, I have 14000+ on some forums I frequent and provide technical information too as well, I know what its like when people go off topic and detract from what the original poster was trying to convey.

    Feel free to attack me if you want, but I stand by what I typed. It would be nice to just read stuff related to the topic at hand rather than the typical internet forum based rants/opinions etc.

    Thanks.
     
  14. malebomb01

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    If you do not like what members are posting you can filter them....Also calling members "boys" is a little disrespectful.
     
  15. malebomb01

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    Problem is, you can't come here and say what you want when you want. This is a moderated board that you do not even support financially if the mods want to ban you they can... MB
     
  16. F40 LeMans

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    The only problem is when good people talking relevant information don't want to accept different specs on exactly the same car.
     
  17. RICE RACING

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    From my perspective I am loving the enthusiasm and dedication given by all owners and enthusiasts who have gone out of their way to contribute to the F40 performance discussion. It's invaluable to someone like myself and I am sure all of us "boys" ;) (that was never meant to be a disrespectful descriptor of certain posters!) can enjoy what the internet and forums like this allow us to do. < that being all coming together and sharing information on the cars we love.

    I hope I can get my hands on a Race Logic Log so I can look over it myself and run some more calculations (waving at Bill ;) ). But even the posted information of his own rides weight and numbers is excellent.

    Also want to say thanks to all the people who have put up articles from back in the day too, some excellent information listed in those btw.

    Peter

    p.s. If I was in USA or Europe would fully sensor up someones F40 and log the boost pressure and some other tuning aspects too, would be great to look over all of that data too.
     
  18. SSNISTR

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    I totally get your point, and wasn't "attacking" you. But at least my posts were still F40 related. Just engine size. Not totally off topic. I haven't read the whole thread, so I am not sure what else was said. As I posted, I am done with that, and I too love reading all the info in this thread....thanks for filling out the profile. And by the way, even though you may not know it from this thread, I am probably one of the top five on here with F40 knowledge. Lets just move on.
     
  19. Tenney

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    Link to list?
     
  20. Bill S

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    The Excel file includes time, velocity, distance and height. That should be everything you need to derive other parameters from straight line acceleration. If you want another column, let me know and I can add it.

    I can also post an Excel file for the fastest F40 GPS run if you want that as well.
     
  21. SSNISTR

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    Sorry, can't share that with you.
     
  22. Bill S

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    Suspension, Engine, Drivetrain, Electronics, History, Performance, Parts for the market, Finish, Technical specs, etc... What do you specialize in?

    I can think of 8 or so people who read but rarely or never post on Fchat. These people have exceptional knowledge of one or more areas on the F40. It's often the quiet people that know all this stuff, and their age is all over the chart!

    Put an F40 in the hands of a determined engineer with some good tools and reference material and it will be hard to beat their technical knowledge of the F40.

    Personally, I'd like to be known as the acceleration and weight expert (car weight that is).
     
  23. SSNISTR

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    #448 SSNISTR, Apr 29, 2010
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    I think some of you are taking what I said to literally. I am not talking about working on the car. But yes, I do think I have extensive knowledge of the F40 as a whole and I am sure some on here can verify this. I have read ALOT on the cars, own about 10 books, and have about 50 magazine articles. Not to mention what I have gained from here. I have been into these cars since I was a teenager in 1987. I would say general overall knowledge, performance, and technical specs is what I know most about. But I am trying to make my knowledge on the cars as vast as I can.
     
  24. RICE RACING

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    Sadly I am not that good with computers (all us old boys!) and don't know how to manipulate that data back into the .dbn format *that I need* to do the calculations in the VBOX Tools software :(

    What I really need it for is so I can overlay the file to my own project car, kind of a dream for me to find someone A) with an F40 b) has the analytical mind set and tools to get the data I needed........ if only I could get the file now.

    Been a long journey for me from a young boy in late 80's dreaming of F40 and remembering allot of the articles that have been posted in this thread, to eventually having a car I made myself that can compare *hopefully* to one. Getting that file so I can look at it would make me very happy indeed. I would be honored if you would share it with me and assure you it would go nowhere else.

    I have a few files that have been E-Mailed to me form other Ferrari road tests in UK (different models) and one of a Pagani Zonda too, all very interesting to look at by yours is the only one I really want :)

    I'll stop begging now .........
     
  25. F40 LeMans

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    #450 F40 LeMans, Apr 30, 2010
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    I agree.
    Here the manual owners specification data from european non-cats and american cars from the factory.
    Take a look at the standing km... and weight. Even for the factory thay are not exactly the same...cars
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