Acceleration: F40, F50, Enzo, CGT & Veyron

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Your 60-100 point difference between them, CGT and F40, is anyway insignificant in the distance.
Is simple to verify the anyway F40 faster in the larger speed segment like 60-170 mph, 18"4 (EU F40) vs 18"9 (CGT) so.
So, the difference you are saying between are only gear shifting and torque gearing difference on that segment. But no, in the increasing speed crescendo from the 1st gear. That's not a problem for it. Infact.
For good comparison I prefere verify speeds from 1st gear to 5th gear to avoid errors.
That's because on rolling start nothing to do for the C&D CGT.

 

"racing" on a street requires a lot to really figure out which car is faster. Being in the right gear, and reacting .5 seconds faster than the other guy will yield a huge advantage that BIG power can overcome... but similar cars wont until the speeds are stupid-fast. That is why GPS data is really crucial when determining scientifically which is faster

 

And 3.9 is one of the slower US tests, I have seen even US tests better then that.

 

But there isn't. Yes about 250 pounds or so, but the rated power is the same and some say the US cars actually got a "few" extra ponies to compensate for this.

But the Euro F40's magazine times at least are almost always better then the US tests....

 

I'm well aware....

 

Bill S,

Some German magazine verify 1254-1270 kgs for the EU-spec F40, that's rellay 80-100 kgs lighter that R&T had verify for your US-spec 1350 kgs, but I think there are some more than 110 kgs (250 lbs) like said in the article in the same conditions.

Fot the power, you can be sure, little over 500 bhp. No more.

 

GREAT thread guys, all of you.

But, if you think statistics and numbers are why someone buys a Ferrari Supercar, you're flogging a dead (prancing) horse!'

I have driven all of the cars listed above (not all were mine) and upon acceleration I can confirm that no other car delivers its power in the exhilarating WAY the F40 does. I don't care if another accelerates like a NASA shuttle. After a couple of drives it feels predictable and not nearly as exciting to me. For me its all about passion, excitement & exhilaration, and for that, the F40 absolutely rules.

Now back to the discussion on numbers

 

than why post what you posted?

This thread is more about the scientific approach to speed rather than feel.

I can make posts all day long about the feel of a Veyron being out accelerated by a TT Ford GT, or how a LPE Z06 will trounce a CGT; but until somebody either posts the VBOX (or comparable) GPS data, its just conjecture.

Anyway, It's my feeling that both a CGT, and F40 have VERY different torque curves; and like Bill has stated, it needs every bit of it's revs to truly be fast. The F40 builds up boost quickly, and pulls like a mofo. The CGT builds up, then all hell breaks loose at the top end. I don't know which felt "faster" both were fast in very different philosophies. A Veyron feels fast like... like you can't believe how much distance you are covering so quickly. Enzo... someday, I'll experience WOT in that... so far not in 150+ miles of driving.

 

Our words I think are only suppositions. And like you say. The 500+ hp point I think is anyway in relationship to the Overboost work on rolling road.
BUT, the real truth we want I think is behind the dyno of the US car tested by the Carobu and the EU car tested in Europe by DK Engeenering.
Ok, carobu had tested the engine on a test bench and DK on dyno, so we can have some discrepancies.
Well, carobu shown a deflated 468 hp (474 PS) for the US car and DK is able to achive 496 hp (503 PS) for an EU car.
I think that's the truth, behind them.

 

here u are the dynos by DK for stock and tuned EU F40

and here a link of carobu US F40 in stock and tuned form:

http://www.carobu.com/html/f40.html
(Engineering dyno results for a stock, non-freshened F40 engine are 468 bhp @ 7200 rpm and 390 lb-ft @ 4500 rpm utilizing the stock engine management system)


So, I think that's is the shorter way for the response to the fact that EU cars are able of 0-170 mph 22"3 and the US cars only able a slowed 26"3. In addition to the EU cars lightness.
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Cristiano sei tu?

In any case...welcome to fchat!

 

certo. hai visto mi sono iscritto? mi diverto un pò con gli stranieri... di tanto in tanto.

 

Son contento che alla fine ti sei iscritto...vedrai che qua hai di che discutere di Ferrari senza polemiche...

Only a few words to introduce F40LeMans on fchat: besides a complete technical knowledge on Ferrari, F40LeMans has a fabulous collection that includes several of the most beautiful Ferrari GT ever made.

 

L'ho fatto più che altro per pizzicare qualche articolo ed avere info che vengon da fuori. Più gente, più info.

E poi, onestamente anche un pò in rispetto della mia regina, non avevo voglia si sputtanasse in USA per un paio di catalizzatori e due paraurti a norma

This engine was tested as-is from the car, then upgraded with our LM turbo kit. This engine wasn’t particularly fresh, but was representative of an *average F40 engine*.

*( US engine )

 

Bill:

What we should do is start a thread to be posted in by Ferrari Supercar OWNERS ONLY, with the focus on WHAT it is that made them posses such a car, or cars. Was it statistics, numbers, or something else. Styling, rarity, sound, power delivery, lightness, charisma, historical significance etc. Now that would be interesting!

As to "real-life", in real life most Ferrari Supercars never go on the track and remain road cars, and never max out top speeds, so many of the numbers being discussed here will not be experienced by most Supercar owners. Real life is on the roads, and the WAY power comes on in restricted bursts on the road is a huge factor to many Supercar owners. Strictly speaking, all 4 Ferrari Supercars are road cars. There are track versions (GTO Evoluzione, F40 LM, F50 GT, FXX etc), but those are not being discussed here.

BTW, you refer to the Enzo as a "track car", but when you think of an Enzo track variant, surely we are talking about an FXX, no?

 

Are possible here post the scans of C&D F40's article. (?)

 

Very interesting, thanks for posting this!

 

I think you should just pony up for an FXX!

 

Please feel free to start.

I don't know how many Supercar owners will actually have time to post, but the proviso of such a thread has to be participation by people who actually own a 288 GTO/F40/F50/Enzo, and the reasons the bought the aforementioned, for it to be meaningful.

 

A little of topic the Mclaren SLR will pull on CGT just a hair before quarter mile and sit just behind the Enzo to 170-80mph

 

Because I can post what I want? Also it was a valid statement and I was making a point....