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Additional fans along with a challenge grill

Discussion in '348/355' started by hacker-pschorr, Sep 26, 2008.

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  1. hacker-pschorr

    hacker-pschorr Formula Junior

    Sep 27, 2006
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    The first thing I noticed on my fathers 355 is the amount of heat that builds up in the engine compartment. One of the first drives he took it on it was a 60 degree night, casual drive as he was getting to know the car. Once we reached our destination I popped the hood. The amount of heat pouring out of the engine compartment was staggering. It felt like an oven door was opened.

    He already has the challenge grill installed so that’s helping, but I’ve been thinking about taking it a step further. Why not fill the space between the rear of the engine compartment and the challenge grill with a couple of fans? There is plenty of room, and those little square cut-outs are perfect for mounting. The wiring would be a piece of cake, you could even wire in a thermostat to kick them off / on based on engine compartment temperature.

    What do you guys think? Has someone already tried or suggested this? Or should I check my medication and stop trying to fix everything? :)
     
  2. tactical

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    Jan 23, 2008
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    Even though the 355 gives of some heat. Can you tell us what the cars temp gauge is currently running at? It the gauge is shown as over heating there may be a few things to check and tick of first before you are looking at extra fans. Maybe since the car has been topped up with water there may be air bubbles. What some may not know is that at the top of the thermostat (the thermostat could also be on the way out) there is a 10mm bolt for bleeding a 355 cooling system. Joe Public usually just puts the coolant in without bleeding the system at the same time. Thus allowing a collection of air bubbles in the system causing the car to over heat.
    Also worth remembering is that instead of putting extra fans on the car. Maybe the original fan is very old and very worn and not as efficient as when it was new. So replacing it may be a better and less of a pain in the backside to curing any fan problems.
     
  3. 285ferrari

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    Good tips to check!!
     
  4. hacker-pschorr

    hacker-pschorr Formula Junior

    Sep 27, 2006
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    Everything is fine with the internal engine temp. Oil and water are where they should be (I replaced the thermostate a few months ago).

    I'm talking about the radiant heat filling the engine compartment. There is a lot of talk about over heating CATS & exhaust manifolds. Pulling more of this heat out of the engine compartment could hlep.

    I'm sure the heat I'm talking about is mostly from the CATS.
     
  5. tactical

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    Jan 23, 2008
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    Ok if were going down this route then i suppose extractor fans would be a good idea. Though they would add to the over all weight of the car. But i see were you are coming from.
    Along the same lines would be to play with the rear ground FX of the underside next to the engine its self. Would there be anyway to use additional spoilers and channels under the car to channel the low pressure air into the engine bay its self, thus carrying the hot air through the rear grill.
     
  6. hacker-pschorr

    hacker-pschorr Formula Junior

    Sep 27, 2006
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    Weight is always on my mind, but fans this size, 4-5 of them might weight 1-2 pounds.

    I'm just thinking out loud here guys :)
     
  7. tactical

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    Hey modify the inner wheel arches.....or remove them:D:D
     
  8. hacker-pschorr

    hacker-pschorr Formula Junior

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    You mean the fender liners?
     
  9. tactical

    tactical Guest

    Jan 23, 2008
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    I assume you are American then? Yes the "fender liners"
     
  10. saw1998

    saw1998 F1 Veteran

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    As an initial quick-fix, I am thinking of modifying the OEM heat shield, which is rather poor. I may start be adding one or more layers of the mylarized high-temp reflective material sold in many "Hot Rod" catalogs. Alternately, I may go more high-tech with some of the ceramic materials available which could be cut to fit the OEM shield and mounted with high-temp adhesive. A better (larger) heat shield could also be easily fabricated. IMHO, this might be the most logical place to start in order to reduce engine compartment temperature.
     
  11. James-NZ

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    You are worried about adding weight from a couple of little fans and then suggest mixing with the airflow under the car???? Not a good plan.

    I think 2 small fans would be quite effective in reducing the under bonnet temp. Experiment with it, a couple of fans, 8-10 wire ties and a little battery to run them long enough to check if they are effective, cost near zero. No holes or wires cut, a few minuets to set up and you could have the answer you are looking for. If it is effective then mount the fans properly and wire them up.

    Where I am from the air temp is never really that hot so keeping the engine bay temps under control is not much of an issue, but I can see how it could be in a hot climate.
     
  12. PAP 348

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    I wouldnt waste my time fitting extra fans. :):)
     
  13. tactical

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    Huh?? Its also not a good plan to make things up as you go along;) Were did i say or did i suggest mixing the two theories????
    I was throwing an idea out there as an option INSTEAD of the fans to cool the engine bay, just like when i said tongue in cheek about the removal of the wheel arch liners.
     
  14. James-NZ

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    Sorry if my post was not clear, perhaps it would have been better for me to say "changing the airflow under the car". I was not implying you said mix the ideas.

    Feel free to relax. :)
     
  15. tactical

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    #15 tactical, Sep 27, 2008
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    Phew!! I feel relaxed already brother:D
    But you know what, regarding putting extra air flow ducting under the car. I only meant to the engine compartment. Clearly extra ducting has been used by the ferrari factory its self on there Challenge cars. The standard road cars have only front air ducting to the breaks were as the Challenge cars have ducting to the rear breaks also.
    So ducting in extra air into the bay via under the car is possible without affecting the down force.
     
  16. gothspeed

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  17. PAP 348

    PAP 348 Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    Nice couch........and errrr, grill. :p:p
     
  18. gothspeed

    gothspeed F1 World Champ

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    .............. lol .... :p .............. a grill like this would not need 'extra' cooling fans ......... ;)
     
  19. PAP 348

    PAP 348 Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    Indeed! ;);)
     

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