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Advantix Flea Control Poisoned My Dog

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  1. Lloyd

    Lloyd F1 Rookie

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    I used Advantix flea control on my Bouvier and am very concerned about his condition. Advantix is a prescribed medication for treatment of fleas which you apply to the dog’s skin along the spine. Soon after giving him the "treatment" he became lethargic. He then started to appear disoriented. It has almost been a week since applying the Advantix and he remains very lethargic and continues to be disoriented. He has difficulty balancing and managing stairs. Prior to this he was one of those dogs that would bounce around and chase you at the slightest prompting. Now he doesn’t even want to lift his head up. He is a different dog. Advantix contains imidacloprid which I understand to be a neurotoxin. We have washed him off several times and have contacted the vet, but I have not discovered any treatment options for these neurologic effects. My faith in vets is not real high right now. If anyone has a suggestion let me know. We can only hope that his condition will improve over time, but I am becoming more upset the more I read about this product and the adverse effects that many have experienced which seem to be ignored by Advantix’s manufacturer. Do not use this product. Even if your dog does not appear to have a reaction to the drug, it stands to reason that the neurotoxins which have affected my dog will have some considerable detrimental effects over the long term in even those dogs which don’t initially exhibit any symptoms. It feels like crap to be the one who trusts the vet and thinks you are helping your dog when instead you are poisoning him.
     
  2. agup48

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    Hope your dog will get well. Sad to hear something like this happening to a harmless usually playful animal :(
     
  3. David_S

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    Almost killed one of our cats about 3 years ago & left a bald spot where it was applied that never grew back. I'd be VERY cautious about using this on any critter you particularly care about...
     
  4. SRT Mike

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    Lloyd,

    REALLY sorry to hear about this. There was a thread in one of the subscribed forums not long ago about the exact same issue with an older dog that became sick from the stuff.

    Apparently dialysis is an option, although perhaps not appropriate in this case? I don't know. But was also stated that the 'half life' of the active compounds in the medication is quite long, and that it takes quite a while (days, weeks) for the dog to show a major improvement.

    Keep your hopes up and consult with a vet about this, it may be there is something else you can do, and if not, it is probably very likely your dog will show improvement, although slowly, over the coming days and weeks.

    Hope he (and you) come out of this OK in the end!
     
  5. Gilles27

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    The unfortunate reality about most pet products (food, treats, toys, medications, etc) is that not only are they not as good as advertised, in many cases they can cause more problems than they claim to address. Most veterinarians, like our doctors, specialize in primary care and do a terrific job at that. But when it comes to "retail" products they are merely passing on the recommendations of the AVMA. And--here's the big shocker folks--guess who has a strong hand in crafting those policies? Big biz. With the flea and tick repellants, if you stop to think about it we're told to apply a chemical to the shoulder blades of our dogs that is absorbed into their system and subsequently repels bugs. Doesn't sound healthy, and it isn't. Most of us live in areas where fleas and ticks aren't even a threat to our dogs. I would never allow a client to bring their dog into our facility if they had just been given an application because other dogs would lick it off and usually get sick. There are more natural ways to address the health and nutrition of your pets, and I always encourage pet owners to consult with homeopathic veterinarians. I have a lot of terrific nutrition articles for anyone interested. All those big bags of food you see at the grocery store or the big box pet retailers showing bowls of delicious-looking pot roast and veggies are nothing but rot, with only the basest of nutrients to sustain life. And if you worry about lead in your childrens' toys, you can be sure that there is far less oversight with pet products. I could go on and on, but it's very important to research these things as much as possible.
     
  6. 101010

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    +100 super post.

    the highlighted part is an excellent point. there certainly are no human equivalent bug repellents that we ingest/absorb first that our bodies exude for weeks... and yet there is for our pets? can you imagine what it does to their internal organs?
     
  7. Lloyd

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    Thanks everyone for the kind words. We took him to the vet this morning and just the adrenaline from the visit improved his condition at least for the duration of the visit. However, this evening he still is very slow and tentative on the stairs. I remain hopeful that over time he will continue to improve.
     
  8. Dincenzo

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    Whoa!!! I did a double take when I saw this thread! Same thing happened to me last month. Here's the thread http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=242291

    I'm happy to say that there has been a full recovery, but it did take some time. My dog is 19 years old and recovered, so I would think your dog has a good
    chance. He'll be in my prayers!
     
  9. SRT Mike

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    How is he doing now, Lloyd?

    Hopefully the little guy is picking up.
     
  10. writerguy

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    My Choc lab Lucy almost died from the same thing. Put it on her and Carlin (the yeller dude) and 30 min later she was convulsing and foaming at the mouth, Took her outside and washed the sh00t off her, she was all bound up her legs were turned under and she was in convulsions. Had to rush her to the 24 hour emerg vet where they said "oh that stuff we get a lot of that here..." In my case it was Sargent s XFC spot on


    She had to have an IV, they shouldn't sell that ****, but seems not to have long term effects. Dr said if i hadn't brought her in when i did she would have died
     
  11. The Ape

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    DAMN! That's horrible! Im so sorry to hear this. We just ordered "Front Line" this morning for our little poodle. I never would have thought that these products can be so hard on pets. I wish your dog a speedy recovery.
     
  12. writerguy

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    Frontline and BioSpot are the only ones i trust now
     
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    Not to be coy or ironic *just because* - but, damn it, do they even test this on animals first?

    Hope for the best outcome. Hate to see pets suffer because of incompetence on part of manufacturers, etc..
     
  14. Dincenzo

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    My suggestion is to cut the recommended dosage in half to see how your dog reacts to it. Maybe cut it more than that if it's a smaller breed.
    Mine is only 11 lbs.
     
  15. 3604u

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    Becarefull of Frontline if you stay in sunny area's, many cases has been reported that it caused the pet to itch.
    Without using Frontline or any drug, our pet "Mr Box" doesnt itch, but the ticks are still there, so we just brush him.

    I hope your pet gets well soon.

    On a side, note.. so can I buy treats and wet food to pamper "Mr Box" when I take him for long walks etc, Or must I becarefulto what I give him.

    Thanks for your advice guys!!!
     
  16. venusone

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    I've used Frontline & Advantix w/ no ill sffects. For my dogs I used Sentinel (once-month pill) for like 10 years which prevents heart worms, round worms, etc. & guards against fleas & ticks (once under control). Neither my German Shephaerd or Lab ever had fleas.
     
  17. Lloyd

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    A few days ago he wanted to go outside and we left him out for several hours (he normally spends most of the day outside) and it was about 90 degrees out. His condition that evening took a significant downturn for the next 12 hours. He even yelped a couple of times that night. We are now keeping him in the air conditioning all the time and that seems to help. The heat seemed to put extra stress on him.

    It is now been about two weeks and tonight his condition has really improved. He ran for the first time today and will roll over for us to scratch his belly. A few days ago he would not even roll over. He also was able to go up and down stairs with less hesitation. He wore out a bit after a long walk, so he is not all the way back yet. Nevertheless, it is great to see some significant progress.
    Advantix is not the only one of these drugs which has caused severe reactions in dogs. There have been several complaints against BioSpot. It is my understanding that EPA has collected over 44.000 complaints against the variety of all these types of flea “treatments.” The following sites contain some rather disturbing accounts for a variety if these topical flea "treatments" including BioSpot :

    http://www.biospotvictims.org/
    http://www.alternet.org/story/123420/
    http://www.articlesbase.com/pets-articles/how-safe-is-your-flea-and-tick-killer-212009.html

    Adrian, I am glad your dog made a full recovery. Your post just goes to show, I need to spend more time on FerrariChat.

    If anyone has any holistic approaches to flea treatment I would be interested. I found this one article on cedarcide and have yet to research it further: http://www.bukisa.com/articles/97009_safe-alternatives-to-spot-on-flea-and-tick-pesticides-that-can-harm-or-kill-your-dog

    My dog Louie and I again want to thank everyone for the kind words and thoughts.

    Kindest Regards, Lloyd
     
  18. SRT Mike

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    EXCELLENT news.

    VERY happy to hear it Lloyd. Wish the best of luck to Louie in his continued recovery. Please keep us posted.
     
  19. Dincenzo

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    Lloyd, glad to hear of Louie's improvement! And you're right, FerrariChat does contain a wealth of information.
     
  20. climb

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    A dog is truly man's best friend.

    So glad your dog is ok now.
     

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