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348 Advice needed: broken coolant bung

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  1. jebones

    jebones Karting

    May 13, 2015
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    I was changing the oil on my '90 348 and while changing the oil filter I noticed a bulge on the coolant hose that runs from the overflow tank to the aluminum cross member. It was where it attaches to the aluminum cross member between the heads below the intake runners. I pushed on the hose and coolant was leaking. There was quite a bit of corrosion so it had been seeping for some time. One gentle twist on the clamp and the aluminum bung snapped off at its base. I have several questions and am open to recommendations.
    1) Obviously cannot remove the cross member without removing one or both sides of the intake runners. Can it be done removing just one side, and if so, which one?
    2) Can it be addressed without removing the runners? Possibly drill, tap and thread in a bung while in place. I do have a straight shot at the broken bung.
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  2. A348W

    A348W Formula 3

    Jun 28, 2017
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    cant help directly; but there is a recent thread on replacing this if you search. (i cant find it immediately).

    good luck and keep us posted
     
  3. jebones

    jebones Karting

    May 13, 2015
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    NEOhio
    I did a brief search and realized it’s common but haven’t found the repair thread. I’ll keep searching. Thanks.
     
  4. John Glen

    John Glen Formula Junior

    Dec 30, 2009
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    Very common failure on 348's. I repaired mine when the engine was out but not necessary in your case. The original aluminum coolant fitting was made of some cheap non corrosion protected material. New stainless steel fitting is available from Superformance UK. To access repair, remove intake manifold to gain access to cross over manifold and remove it also. Mine was quite corroded but was still protruding so I inserted a drill bit so I could grab it without crushing the stub. I also applied heat to help loosen it . Good luck !
     
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  6. jebones

    jebones Karting

    May 13, 2015
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    Thank you all for the input. I plan on starting the repair this week. I didn’t know it was threaded piece so replacing without removing would be impossible with all the corrosion. I’ll post updates w/ pics. I’ve had the car since 2018 and this will be the first significant mechanical job. It’s well within my wheelhouse but I’m sure to have a question or two.
     
  7. jebones

    jebones Karting

    May 13, 2015
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    Well the disassembly went fairly smooth. The only casualty was one of the allen bolts securing the fuel rail. Luckily it was
    one of the accessible ones. Soaked it with D-40, still stripped. Tried a 12mm socket around the outside, stripped that. Gently hammered in
    a 7 mm and stripped that also. Therefore I just used a 5/16 drill bit, just a little bigger than the shaft of the bolt and drilled off the head. I used a magnet to collect the metal shavings, then vacuumed and the compressed air to clean the area. I didn't want any shavings to fall into the open intake ports on the head :) Now I can deal with the remaining stud on the work bench. Maybe attempt an easyout or just drill it out and tap it for a larger bolt.
    The only other casualty was a plastic clamp holding the flexible fuel line to a valve cover stud.

    I haven't decided on a solution for the corroded bung. If I can get it out and preserve the original threads I will order the Hill Engineering stainless
    piece. If the threads are damaged by corrosion (or by me) I'll opt for a brass bung with larger thread diameter.

    The whole job took and hour and 45 min. Next will be about 6 hours of cleaning, polishing and maybe black crinkle coat the plenum? Replace some vacuum hoses and what ever else looks questionable.

    Also may send out the injectors for a good cleaning.

    The gasket for the runners is in good shape. reuse or replace?




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  8. AceMaster

    AceMaster Three Time F1 World Champ

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    You should use a new gasket. But I will defer that to the experts
     
  9. AceMaster

    AceMaster Three Time F1 World Champ

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    As for the plastic clamp for the fuel line, same thing happened to me. The plastic became brittle over the years and jaut snapped You should be able to find a much better replacement product at any automotive store.
     
  10. fatbillybob

    fatbillybob Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Learning to use heat will avoid a large majority of corroded fastener failures and then lots more time to remove, repair and replace. The intake one heat and wd40 and that will come out with pliers. Take parts off water housing use heat wd40 a few cycles and that should back right out with just a screw driver. Probably do not have to ez out either of those.
     
  11. jebones

    jebones Karting

    May 13, 2015
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    @AceMaster - I have some of those from a previous Alfa restoration, thanks for reminding me!

    @fatbillybob - The intake broken bolt came out after soaking with WD 40 and a simple twist with Vicegrips. The water housing lower sensor has some type of white sealer and I couldn't break it loose. It has a plastic housing so I didn't want to apply heat. Also the remaining nub was small and thin. I say "was" because I got it out using increasing size drill bits until I saw some threads. Then started with a 10 X 1.50mm tap then 11mm then 12 mm and all the threads look good.

    And before I go any further, I wanted to thank Ferrarium for attaching the link to Ernie's thread with detailed instructions and pic of the plenum removal.
    It probably saved me at least 2 additional hours. I would like to think I would have eventually figured it out but would have removed too much or too little and
    broke more ****!
    More to come.....
     
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  12. John Glen

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    Yet another example of non lubricated hardware on assembly coming back to haunt..........
     
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