Again? Really? F430 F1 gearbox

Rifledriver · Oct 21, 2023

samsaprunoff said: ↑

Good day RifleDriver,

I blame those companies that choose substandard manufacturers and/or strong arm manufacturers to do more for less. Many in China and other places are somewhat "forced" to produce products to meet a certain price point and do this, something has to give. I have had some extremely high quality items manufactured in China and so they do have the tools and skills. That said, I had to be very clear on what I wanted and what I was prepared to pay. I had some items manufactured where the price was about 1/2 of what I was expecting. The vendor was more than happy to work at this price. I told him no, and stated that I will pay him 2x more... he was shocked and asked why I would do this. I simply stated that I wanted him to make $ and I wanted an excellent result. Even at 2x his offered price I was getting a great bargain and the results were simply incredible.

Another industry that is simply bewildering is the LED lighting industry. Customers want to have LED lights that are cheap and when they get them and they crap out in a handful of months and these customers are shocked? Geez, what do you expect? The true cost to produce high quality AND long life LED light is way more than the $4-$5 that people want to pay... and so they get crap and then blame the technology.

Ultimately, it is a vicious circle where various companies focus on profit and customers do not want to pay what is truly needed and so we get more and more crap.

Cheers,

Sam
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I fault those 3rd world countries for a proven willingness to go to otherwise unheard of and in some cases inhumane lengths to produce the cheapest known to man.

samsaprunoff · Oct 21, 2023

Rifledriver said: ↑

I fault those 3rd world countries for a proven willingness to go to otherwise unheard of and in some cases inhumane lengths to produce the cheapest known to man.
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Sadly, they learned from us out here in the West... maximize profit all costs.

RayJohns · Oct 23, 2023

samsaprunoff said: ↑

Good day Ray,

Internal resistance is one factor, but the other which limits the speed and/or ability to supply current fast enough is inductance. Low inductance is your friend in this case and it can be associated with lower resistance... but it is the Inductance that is the factor. Now, there are various ways to design circuits to not be so dependent and/or sensitive to the need for current surges. This is not new, but does require electronic designers to be well versed with understanding these concepts and issues. Unfortunately, the industry pushes for things to get done asap, as time is $ and so many projects are rushed to market with inadequate designs or testing. The thought here is to make the customer the tester... which saves the manufacturer $... and potentially generates more sales since customers make have to buy a newer version and/or a replacement. Customers need to push back and simply not accept substandard products. If customers were to stop buying these cars that behave this way, then Ferrari and/or their subcontractors would need to step up... but most customers simply drink the koolaid and think that electronic devices operating this way is normal. It is not... and electronics can be designed to be very reliable with long lifetimes. I am small time manufacturer and I have systems deployed (elevator interfaces) that were designed and installed in 1996 operating 24/7 since then without one single failure or in need of a reboot or power cycle. Now, Ferrari and other big firms have magnitudes more resources than I do and so they can very well produce products to the same standard or better than mine. The reason they don't is simply because they are not interested in doing so.

Cheers,

Sam
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As I always say, when it comes to electrical engineering and board level system design: "be the electron"

Ray

PAP 348 · Oct 25, 2023

RayJohns said: ↑

Which brands? Most of the Lithium stuff from the factories are garbage. This is why I personally only use Braille stuff. It's used in racing and gets the job done. Easy 8 to 12 year life span on those in most road going cars.

You get what you pay for.

Ray
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You have sold me Ray, if I never purchase a modern Ferrari I will go down this road.

Not cheap, but a 8 to 12 year life span works good for me!

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krazykarguy · Oct 25, 2023

PAP 348 said: ↑

You have sold me Ray, if I never purchase a modern Ferrari I will go down this road.

Not cheap, but a 8 to 12 year life span works good for me!

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PAP 348 · Oct 25, 2023

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Cheers mate, lucky I am 10 years off buying one.

RayJohns · Oct 25, 2023

PAP 348 said: ↑

You have sold me Ray, if I never purchase a modern Ferrari I will go down this road.

Not cheap, but a 8 to 12 year life span works good for me!

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It makes the Ferrari ownership experience a night and day difference.

Ray

PAP 348 · Oct 25, 2023

RayJohns said: ↑

It makes the Ferrari ownership experience a night and day difference.

Ray
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Agree with you there mate.

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