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Agreement to Purchase Pending PPI- questions

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  1. F430-Spider

    F430-Spider Karting

    Jul 30, 2013
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    I'm currently looking at an F430 Spider to purchase, and I think I've found the car for me and plan on having a PPI done by my local Ferrari dealer. The dealer has quoted me at around $800 to do a complete PPI, including clutch wear, brake wear, and a compression check and and other things.

    That being said, I would only have the PPI done if I am ready to buy the right car at the right price. The problem I'm having is this- do I make an offer on the car pending a good PPI, or wait and have the PPI done to see if there is anything that is worn (IE Clutch), then make an offer based on the PPI?

    I'm thinking if I make an offer on the car, and the PPI comes out with some problems, I'm out the $800. So at this point, does the owner of the car own the PPI results, or do I? IE, can he have the PPI to show other sellers at my expense now if he won't agree to a reasonable price with me after the PPI?

    What if the guy backs out once I get the PPI done for whatever reason (PPI comes out outstanding, or changes mind with no explanation)?

    Some of these situations don't seem plausible, but I have dealt enough in business that I know crazier things have happened and I like to prepare for all possibilities.

    How have you guys done your PPI's when buying? Am I over-thinking this?

    Thanks in advance to everyone that responds, your feedback is appreciated. These forums are a wealth of knowledge and I look forward to being a new Ferrari owner!
     
  2. Nospinzone

    Nospinzone F1 Veteran

    Jul 1, 2013
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    I am pretty sure that this would work just like a home inspection. The inspector is working for the buyer, not the seller. The inspection report goes only to the buiyer. The seller only sees it if the buyer chooses to share it.

    SOL I'm afraid.
     
  3. Shark01

    Shark01 F1 Veteran

    Jun 25, 2005
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    You make the deal first, pending a clean PPI, and you put down a refundable deposit (in writing) so no one can (in theory) take it from under you while the PPI is being done.

    If something more than minor comes out of the PPI, you can try to negotiate down, take as-is, or walk.
     
  4. Thomas Magnum

    Thomas Magnum F1 Veteran

    Feb 24, 2013
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    This.
     
  5. bobzdar

    bobzdar F1 Veteran

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    If you're about to plunk down 100k on a car and are sweating $800 for a ppi, a Ferrari may not be a good choice.
     
  6. sburke

    sburke Formula 3

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    800$ is cheap insurance
     
  7. Mozella

    Mozella Formula Junior

    Mar 24, 2013
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    I think you're missing the point. One could argue that eight hundred bucks is cheap insurance when purchasing something worth a hundred K. Everyone has to make this judgement for himself. And I didn't get the idea that the OP was complaining that the PPI was too costly.

    But that doesn't mean that pissing away 800 bucks, should something go south, is some kind of joke. The OP is simply asking how to protect himself from a bad surprise.

    I own a Ferrari, but I don't remember throwing $800 on the ground and walking away. Do you?
     
  8. Mozella

    Mozella Formula Junior

    Mar 24, 2013
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    Good advice. I would add this: There are exceptions, but the general rule is that you can't MAKE someone sell you something. The seller can indeed change his mind at the last second and most of us would consider this a big disappointment. But, short of both of you lawyering up to a ridiculous level, you're going to have to take your chances. It's normal when buying a car or house.

    Make the deal and decide on a price based on a clean PPI. Don't hide the fact that you intend to renegotiate the price should the PPI discover, for example, a non-serviceable clutch. By the way, don't expect to recover 100% of the cost of a clutch replacement, but you should expect to recover something unless the car is presented as needing an immediate clutch job. That's what negotiation is all about, but be sure to tell the seller your intentions AHEAD of time.

    As far as who owns the PPI, why not also discuss this with the seller before hand? Come to an understanding that you will pay for AND you will have exclusive ownership of the PPI. Should you end up not buying the car, offer to sell him the PPI for a percentage of the cost. Remember, it's worth a less to him than to you. Ask yourself if the seller had a recent PPI in hand, would you buy the car without having one done by YOUR mechanic? Maybe yes, maybe no. No matter what, be sure to at least discuss who owns the PPI even if you don't put it in writing.

    Bottom line: Surprises are what cause the most trouble. Write it down or just discuss it, but be SURE to be clear about how you intend to handle every potential sticking point.
     
  9. F430-Spider

    F430-Spider Karting

    Jul 30, 2013
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    If you must know, I can afford a 458, but there's a reason I can afford it- I do my due diligence with business and have learned not to take things for granted. People do crazy things when big money (or even small money) is involved in lining their pockets, and I don't know my seller from Adam.

    And in my experiences, the more money there is involved with luxury items such as this with no contract or accountability from either side, the easier it is to go south. And I stand to be the one that is taking the risk.

    Thank you to all of you that actually replied with helpful advice. I think I'm going to talk to the seller about the PPI first, then go from there. Buying a Ferrari can be what you make it, but I plan on covering all bases so I don't end up with a lemon or wasting money.
     
  10. Zanny1

    Zanny1 Formula 3
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    Just sold my 2007 Porsche 911S in this manner.
    Had to drive 100 miles to meet prospective buyer at shop of his choice.
    From phone conversations, the buyer was straight about his intentions. You have to be a good judge of character in a deal like this.
    PPI came out fine..... a few small items.... the buyer and I worked out the details, and the rest is history.
     

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