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The modern Alfa Romeo Giulia is their best car in 40 years...and a great car...but sadly will likely be the last to truly represent their heritage. As is traditional, it is the company's management that is the source of their failures, around the world and in the USA. In the 1950s, Alfa sold the US distribution rights to a man named Hoffman. He threw together a third rate dealer/service network that has been the weak link that has continually let down the American Alfa buyers. If you compare the world wide size and prominence of Alfa in the 1950s to Porsche in the 1950s, and how they compare today...the story of Alfa's failure could not be more clearly written. Alfa at this point is just a name and a pawn in modern F1. Maybe Sauber will go with Mercedes and keep Bottas...maybe Alfa will team up with the Russians and what's left of Haas...and keep Gio as a reserve driver. Stellantis will continue to sell its back log of Giulias while they rush a Peugeot (on a Giulia chassis?) into the dealerships. Maybe even one more Alfa model on a Peugeot chassis...and then the marque will die and disappear.
Ok, I need to define gangbusters: Not in overall terms compared to the rest of the field but in comparison to the current and previous versions of Sauber. They haven't been competitive since their BMW engine years. And a Merc engine would certainly boost them past some other backmarkers like Haas and Williams (well to a degree they already achieve that today) and allow them to play in the midfield against e.g. Alpine and AM.
"Guanyu Zhou, is another of the options to replace Antonio, the Chinese driver who currently competes in Formula 2, has come to offer a sum of 30 million euros for the team for the seat of Giovinazzi, as indicated by Paolo Ciccarone in RMC Motori."
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ACCORDING TO THE UNITED STATES PRESS
Michael Andretti, close to buying Sauber to be in F1 in 2023
-In August there were already rumors that Andretti had his sights set on Formula 1
-Sauber is drawn as the ideal team for his landing in the Great Circus
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Michael Andretti in Indianapolis
A few weeks ago the first rumors emerged that the Andretti were interested in buying a Formula 1 team. Today, from the United States, they point out that this team is Alfa Romeo and that the plan is to complete the transaction to be on the grid for season 2023.
Michael Andretti, former Formula 1 driver son of F1 champion Mario Andretti, owns Andretti Autosport, one of the best IndyCar teams. In recent months he has sought to broaden his interests and has set his sights on the Great Circus. Last month we mentioned that Sauber and Williams were two of the teams that were on his radar .
"It would be great to be able to do that. If a suitable opportunity arises, we would seize it. But we are not there yet," Andretti acknowledged to Racer in August.
Now from the United States they assure that he will buy Sauber to be on the F1 grid in 2023. "According to our sources, Michael Andretti, with the help of Gainbridge, will buy Sauber Motorsport AG (Alfa Romeo) to enter Formula 1 in 2023", has shared the American podcast Pit Lane Parley.
Gainbridge is a financial services company that came to Andretti as a sponsor four years ago. Right now, he is also a personal sponsor of Colton Herta, Andretti's highest-ranked driver in the Championship.
These Andretti rumors come just as Valtteri Bottas has just signed for Alfa Romeo on a multi-year contract, in what until now seemed like an agreement between Mercedes and Sauber not to leave the Finn without a seat in the wake of George Russell's promotion to the main team.
There was talk that the Hinwil team was considering the option of using Mercedes engines and that as part of the agreement, Bottas and Nyck de Vries would be their pilots. This may change if the rumors are true and Andretti buys Sauber by 2023.
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Hmm, interesting development.
Just on common sense I would have expected Andretti to buy Haas, after all an American team etc. Then again, they are as American as the Sauber team.
Would be great if it happened. But remaining highly sceptical.
Well, I'm not an expert in the history of automobiles, but Max Hoffman imported BMW, VW, Porsche, Alfa, etc into the US and is legendary in the Porsche world. He influenced car makers to make a few tweaks to their cars, resulting in him getting at least some credit for the Porsche Spyder, Mercedes Gullwing, etc. Also, he was such a loser that he had Frank Lloyd Wright design his Jaguar dealership in Manhattan, and his personal home. Pretty much a loser I guess.
Fixed it for you.
Every one of those successful automakers bought back their rights from Hoffman as soon as they saw what a disaster he was, and created their own US distribution systems. Except Alfa...they were the last to jump ship and that put them far behind the others. My dad bought two Facel Vega HK500s from Hoffman in Pasadena. Facel didn't do too well in the USA either. Max secured the Alfa franchise by showing Alfa he had one million dollars in spare parts. He didn't show them that he bought those parts at pennies on the dollar because they were for older models no longer being made or imported in the USA. Certainly Alfa's "what do we need with America" attitude contributed to their sad status today. All that said, for the money, I don't think there is a car out there today that can touch the new Giulia.
Wikipedia said it was "Jaguar" and this article says it was designed to be a Jag showroom, but by the time it was completed it Mr. Hoffman had moved on to selling Mercedes. https://hyperallergic.com/69023/the-shocking-demolition-of-frank-lloyd-wrights-park-avenue-showroom/
Alpha is already using a competitors engine !! the only thing is that the engine is constructed in the same country s the mark calls home.
Alfa Romeo (not Alpha) are not really competitors to Ferrari and in fact use a Ferrari design for the basis of their V6 QF engines.
Also, they have common shareholders in the Agnelli family through their Exor holding company.
EVERY team in F1 is a competitor to every OTHER team in F1.
I was specifically talking about the teams not the parent companies.
i dunno but i feel they need to keep Gio, and hire proper designers.
If Gio is out, he will be at the helm of a Ferrari hypercar in LM...not a bad option if you ask me, i would rather have a shot at Le Mans in a Ferrari than being a backmarker in f.1...
Yes, technically they are. In practice not so much.
good point! That as Alonso's play too.