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Almost ripped off on airplane deal. I got out pretty clean

Discussion in 'Aviation Chat' started by docmirror, Dec 8, 2008.

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  1. docmirror

    docmirror Formula Junior

    May 6, 2004
    781
    Ft Worth TX
    Well, I thought I was dealing with an honest aircraft owner. Lucky I never sent any money.

    Bill Borgstrom of Deer Park, Ill is a liar, cheat and attempted thief. Here's the story in all it's gory detail.

    He advertises an EXP plane for sale on Barnstormers. I call, ask some questions, tell him I'm interested. A few days later, I make an offer by phone, and by email. I get a call back from Bill, and there are 'problems'. The plane isn't airworthy. It has no 8130-12(appl for airworthiness) and there is no AW cert on file, and never has been one. It's also not owned by him, but it's in a partnership, and his partner wants more money. So, fine I agree to the new price from his new silent partner. He then proceeds to ask me a bunch of personal questions to make sure I'm not an internet scammer. Which I find pretty offensive but I give him some of my info, and he seems satisfied. He tells me his 'partner' is ok with this, and that we have a deal. I tell him I will send him a check for $1000 when the 8130-12 is in my hands.

    Then I explain that he's selling an unairworthy plane, and it needs to get the 8130-12 signed by the builder and notarized. I send him the forms, and he goes on vacation to FL. He says he knows the builder and it's "no problem". This was back before Thanksgiving, so I tell him I'll bring money on Dec 5th, and pay him when the 8130-12 is signed and notarized by the builder, and I can fly the plane away. So far, we're all fine.

    Then, I don't hear from him for a few days. Then he's not answering my email. so I have to cancel my flight, pay a ticket fee and still no AW paperwork. Dec 5th comes and goes, no contact. He gets back from FL, and I finally call to set a new date, and to get the 8130-12 copy.

    He stammers a bit on the phone, and finally tells me he has sold the plane to someone else. I ask him did he ever get the 8130-12 and he says it's not a problem. Which is right, it's not a problem for me, but the new owner is going to have a costly lawn ornament in the future.

    If you are the plane buyer from MI or anyone else around. Do not do business with Bill Borgstrom. He will lie and cheat for a few pieces of silver.
     
  2. ND Flack

    ND Flack Formula 3

    Sep 18, 2007
    1,051
    DC
    you oughta put this up in aviatorchat which is about half of a screen up from this subforum.
     
  3. troy144

    troy144 Formula Junior

    Sep 27, 2008
    251
    Las Vegas
    Full Name:
    Troy Harris
  4. Oceanic815

    Oceanic815 Formula 3

    Apr 30, 2008
    2,071
    Central Oregon
    Hmm indeed. *shrugs*

    Well, the entire situation may have been a disappointment not being able to get it, but think of the headaches that were avoided in the long run. You'd have exactly what you said the other alleged buyer would have- a lawn ornament.
     
  5. jk0001

    jk0001 F1 Veteran

    Oct 18, 2005
    6,706
    Sun Coast
    Full Name:
    Jim
    More like a Hanger Queen
     
  6. 2NA

    2NA F1 World Champ
    Consultant Owner Professional Ferrari Technician

    Dec 29, 2006
    18,221
    Twin Cities
    Full Name:
    Tim Keseluk
    Sounds like he's a bit of a flake but he didn't actually steal your money. The plane is still sight unseen, it might not have been a worthwhile purchase and it's time to move on.

    I wouldn't have bought a ticket until the paperwork was in order.
     
  7. docmirror

    docmirror Formula Junior

    May 6, 2004
    781
    Ft Worth TX
    Sorry, maybe I put it in the wrong spot. I'm glad it's not my headache. Live and learn, I thought in my +50 years I'd see the worst. I was wrong.
     

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