Almost still a Ferrari

Well atleast they kept the whole thing Ferrari. iv'e seen guys who build these "308GTO" and they drop in a Camaro engine with a Porsche tranny so this isn't bad replica. This is definately the best ferrari replica i have seen cause it makes sense unlike the fiero based kits where its small and looks retarded.

It could be worst.

The only thing it needs is a twin turbo upgrade.

 

True

But needless to say I can't just turbo it and ill have something much quicker than the orginal. This car is a pretender no doubt there's no performance to match the good looks.

If it did well iam sure alot of people would be singing a diffrent tune.

 

Good news is, there are now at least a couple of decent Supercharger kits out (see threads in 308 section) that can help in matching the performance to the looks.

 

to me Ferrari is a faith... not only as cars... as brands and as conception of things.

308 is a 308, 288 GTO is a 288 GTO...

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;-)

 

Ah Andreas, why do I get the feeling that you may make that a future project for Ed?!?

 

That was the problem I faced when I looked at the finished Monzer bodyshell, I thought "bl**dy h3ll that needs 400hp to go with the looks". So a supercharger is coming...

 

What's with the front seats of the replica?

http://www.autosportdesigns.com/Sales/Salesphotos.aspx?ID=1357

Also the passenger side foot well looks sliced and diced.

The "shelf" behind the seats SHOULD NOT have been photographed.

More time and quality should have been used.

 

Scheduled for 2010. And yes, there is a 5 year plan for my car.

 

Did you sell your 288 GTO clone? It seems like your auction ended early.

 

The 308/328/288 GTO "reproduction" is up for sale once again, this time with a new dealer (http://tntgotcars.com/showcar.htm?19841163120_10475ny_450_1010015) the new asking is 45K and it does not look any cleaner. Is it that they can't sell this car to anyone or that successive owners become quickly dis-illusioned with the vehicle? Even posers must have some standards

 

i started a thread about the community's attitudes towards conversions featuring that same car. it's on ebay right now. or it was.

since this thread is about the same thing i will just post here in this one.

my opinion is such that if the conversion is done well, who cares if it's rebodied. Ferrari themselves have rebodied their own cars as there are myriad examples of such pieces bought and sold every now and then. and people pay for them.

moreover, coming from the enthusiast perspective of Japanese tuner modifications (as i am used to), which are done with regularity and without shame, i don't much flinch when i see a modified car --Ferrari or Nissan. that a Ferrari has been modified is of not much consequence unless the spectator is a hardcore ferraristi purist that feels the car has had it's soul stolen or raped.

the issue for me is more about how well and how tastefully the modifications were executed. not about the purity of the car. as well, why is the 308 so sacred anyway as to be above being rebodied?

i do admire and personally own cars that are rewarding to retain as original factory material. or as close as possible to this form. as well if i want purity, i will seek out such a car and never modify it. it will be slated to remain stock. or "restored."

but this 308 to GTO conversion is not a restoration nor was it ever meant to be a pure restoration. and nobody is mislead to believe that it is anything but a conversion. not every car will be fated to be restored or kept in original condition. hot rodding, modding, altering, rebodying, hybridizing, monster garaging ....are all part of the ownership and enthusiast realm of car collecting and appreciation. a Ferrari is just as open season to the hot rodder's torch as is a Trans Am.

add a turbo system and beef up the suspension, clutch, and brakes and you could probably have a GTO conversion that handles better than the original if done properly. and it will look amazing as the 288 GTO is one of the best looking Ferrari body styles i've ever seen.

 

here is an example of a lauded, successful, and highly elaborately raped and molested Ferrari, no doubt the Enzo of such limited numbers turned into this specimen (which in my opinion is quite an improvement over the original design!):
http://www.*************/cars/3456.html
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Jim's car got the factory's blessing, which is why there is no dispute over it.

 

right but they molested and rebodied an Enzo for which it was not originally intended. an aftermarket custom shop could have done the same thing to similar standards.

 

That's the double standard of the Ferrari purists: Quot licet Iovi, non licet bovi.

 

i appreciate that LOL:

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi is a Latin phrase, literally meaning "What is legitimate for Jove (Jupiter), is not legitimate for oxen." and often translated as "Gods may do what cattle may not". It indicates the existence of a double standard (justifiable or otherwise), and essentially means "what is permitted to one person or group, is not permitted to everyone." The phrase was created by Terence, a playwright of the Roman Republic.
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there was a thread a little while back in the vintage section about a "barn find" which was a rebodied, but "period-correct," Ferrari race car.

the opinions were mixed as here, ranging from total blasphemy to being accepted on it's own terms as a matter of history. i will look for the thread and post a link here.

 

oh, the thread is alive and well "Merged: 0117 S - This Week's Barn Find":
http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=115599

A few days ago Ferrari 195 Inter chassis #0117 S has been discovered in Southern California. The car had been with the same owner for 40 years. This car started life as 195 Inter with rare Berlinetta body by Carrozzeria MOTTO of Torino. It was raced in the 1951 Mille Miglia by Italian hillclimb champion Salvatore Ammendola on race #413. Five years later, on 17 February 1956, chassis 0117 S was REBODIED by Carrozzeria Scaglietti in Modena into a 750 Monza Spider, for the then Italian owner. There is written confirmation for this available (dating from 1956!)

the reactions range from total contempt to accepting.
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and another one:
http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=155608

 

so i gather that in general if you show up to a Ferrari show or gathering with this shiny red GTO conversion from a 308, you're not going to be exactly respected or given the high-fives right away, even if the handiwork is immaculately executed, but especially if it's only 1/2 done or done poorly.

you may get a couple of secret nods of approval but generally you will be targeted for a pipe-bombing later by the local ferraristi. and your name will be blacklisted and you will be shunned from any future social invitations, possibly causing irreparable denegration your position in society.

one will drive the cursed Ferrari as a scarlet letter on wheels, engendering hatred and scorn.

 

Not so fast young man: Your arguments are often used by the purists who condemn replicas and rebodies, but the reality is not so black and white:

While it is true that the behavior/experience you post above would apply to top level events like e.g. Cavallino (if they'd even let you in in the first place), this is barely true for most applications: Over the years I have been to many events from all sorts of clubs and organizations and you see a wide array of what is accepted and what not. There will always be snobs who snicker at anything non original and there will be always folks who embrace anything carrying the Ferrari badge and then there is anything in between.

A car like the 308 rebody looking somewhat like a 288 GTO would NOT have a hard time in any event here in the Midwest. I have seen many rebodies and nobody gave them a second thought of not allowing/welcoming them (again not including the purist snobs).

So if somebody asks what is the point of this car if you can't take it anywhere? WRONG. There are many occasions for it to be at.

 

^^^that is good news and i thank you for the elucidation.

i may end up with a 308 rebody. cannot say for certain at this point, but i may go that route when i choose to pull the trigger.

by the way i really like this site. i've learned tons in a short time and continue to do so every time i am here.

thank you,

chad

 

Just as a FYI: The latest FCA bulletin has a 288 GTO rebody on 308 basis complete with turbos and all offered at 100k. Makes the one here for 45k look like a bargain, which it is IMHO.