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Alonoso.....refueling ban not so good

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  1. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    This plus the proposed tire/qualy just make me feel not so great about this year. Im trying to stay positive but why cant we just let the teams race without this silly, constant tweaking. Change tires, refuel do whatever you want to try to win!

    Alonso admits refueling ban concerns
    Friday 29th January 2010 - PlanetF1.com

    Fernando Alonso has slammed Formula One's new ban on refueling, believing it will make it almost impossible for anyone but the front three on the grid to win a race.


    As of this year's Championship, refueling is now longer permitted during grands prix, which means a large part of race strategy has fallen by the wayside.


    And although the general idea is that the ban will force drivers into overtaking rather than wait for the pit stops to pan out, Alonso fears it will make it extremely difficult for anyone not qualifying in the top three to win races.


    "If you start among the top two or three that will be fundamental to win the race, otherwise it is almost impossible," said the Spaniard.


    "With the old rules you could be fifth or sixth at the start and know you had a chance with the strategy. Now if the strategy is the same and you are fifth or sixth you have very few chances.


    "Previously we had to take all of the opportunities to overtake in Formula One, so we know how difficult it is.


    "This year we will have to continue to seize all the opportunities to overtake, and I think that with no refueling and without knowing anything about the strategy, qualifying will be even more important than it used to be."
     
  2. jknight

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    let the whinning begin......

    Carol
     
  3. kraftwerk

    kraftwerk Two Time F1 World Champ

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    He could always ask his team mate to do something to get the SC car to come out...:eek:

    He may probably be right hence the qualfiying tyre issue to mix it up a bit.

    As I see it lets wait and see, not much use in tampering with the format until it becomes a joke, yet again can I blame this one on Mosley..I'm not sure but I'd bet on it.
     
  4. VIZSLA

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    The wonder is that it took this long:)
    What makes it worse is that he's right.
     
  5. Bas

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    He's beginning earlier than usual:D.
     
  6. beast

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    The fact of the matter is with no refueling on 2010 the driver that has the capability of getting the most out of there tires without burning them up. By going longer before putting on there next set may have an advantage this season. I honestly feel that FA may have an advantage with this based on his performance on 2005 when there were no tire changes allowed. I think the only other driver that may be able to get the most out of there tires would be MS and RB.
     
  7. kraftwerk

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    I wouldn't rule out Button.
     
  8. Bas

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    yup he's a lot smoother on the tires.
     
  9. rizzo308

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    lets hope they pis# this stupid rule off. so we don't get to see any drivers heading down pit striaght with half a fuel rig still attached, no fuel stratages, eveyone starts with a full tank and they are trying to make F1 more exciting for tv, what they smokin....
     
  10. NeuroBeaker

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    Indeed. :eek:

    LOL! :D
     
  11. tritone

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    Is he somehow implying that he, a WC, driving a Ferrari, might not be on the front row? Why would that thought even occur to him.......concern for his team mate perhaps?......
     
  12. 4rePhill

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    To be fair to Alonso, like all race drivers, he wants to race as fast as possible and have the chance to overtake people (something which the fans keep calling for). All he's said with this statement is that as you can no longer change your fuel strategy during the race or your tyres before the race starts, you cannot counteract any disadvantages that you may encounter in qualifying or during the race itself. Had Schumacher or Hamilton have made these comments, you'd all be agreeing with them, but because it's Alonso, it becomes "let the whinning begin......".

    +1 on that. I think both the new tyre rule and the lack of refuelling work in Buttons favour with his smooth driving style.
     
  13. tatcat

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    the lack of refueling removes a geat deal of strategy from the sport.
     
  14. ApexOversteer

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    I disagree. It just moves that strategy from the race to qualifying.
     
  15. VIZSLA

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    There's always been strategy in qualifying. This just dumbs down the sport further.
     
  16. Far Out

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    +1

    I don't particularly like Alonso, but the bashing he receives is uncalled for IMHO. The point he makes is valid for every driver, not just him and Massa.
     
  17. snakeseare

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    Banning refueling is a good first step. Now ban tyre changes and we get back to the way F1 was in its heyday. Pat the driver on the top of the helmet before the start and tell him "off you go, lad, see you in a couple of hours."

    Refueling was only introduced in 1994. Not that long ago from my perspective. At the time it was viewed as a dangerous addition. Before then, pit crew worked in short sleeves.

    But I would seriously suggest no tyre changes, and not only that. We have two race engines and four race transmissions. How about 6 race tyres? No, stop and think for a moment. What is the problem with F1? No overtaking. Why? Too much grip, leading to short braking distances. If a tyre had to last 2000km instead of 100, maybe, just maybe, that tyre might have a bit less grip. Hmm. Braking distances would increase, and overtaking would be easier. Of course I'd also take away their billboards (sorry, wings) and solve the diffuser issue by making the bottom of the car flat (really flat, no 5mm tolerance to play in) all the way to the back. There, done and dusted. Welcome to F1 with overtaking, but no longer the fastest cars in racing. To which I say "so what?"

    You may now resume your regularly scheduled expostulations.
     
  18. 4rePhill

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    Might want to check your facts there!, try this for a start off: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f51wEb3CuB8&feature=player_embedded

    Plenty of people view this as the heyday of F1 and it had both refuelling and tyre changes.
     
  19. Aircon

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    I really wish they had the same camera coverage back then as they do now. there must have been some fantastic racing.
     
  20. VIZSLA

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    Or in the 40's or the 30's or the 20's or the teen's and before. In the history of GP racing non-pit stop sprints are a recent exception.
    This may come down to a matter of seeing F1 as a competition among drivers or among teams. Traditionally it has been the latter.
     
  21. zaevor2000

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    Never ever going to happen. Teams would throw a fit with the loss of all the sponsorship dollars that come with billboards provided by the wings...

    Personally though I agree. I have always had a soft spot in my heart for the 60s machines. Gurney Eagle anyone? That was one BEAUTIFUL car!!!
     
  22. TurboFreak650

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    I think he's totally right, and we'll all be complaining about this after the seasons starts. :eek:
     
  23. VIZSLA

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    I'm not waiting until then.
     
  24. PSk

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    +100.

    F1 never needed pitstops. It was only added to make the TV show more interesting. Now we will return to RACING on the TRACK ... instead of just waiting until the next pitstop to pass the guy in front.

    I might even watch again :).
    Pete
     
  25. PSk

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    Again pitstops were only introduced by Bernie to make his TV show more interesting. The direct result of this was passing STOPPED, immediately.

    The only reason that time was a good time for F1 is because we were watching MS come in and eventually get to grips with Ferrari.

    But the Mansell, Senna and Prost days were equally if not even more exciting and to watch a driver have to make strategy decisions DURING a race was and is very interesting.
    Pete
     

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