Alonso: McLaren has lied before...

And Alonso has cheated before. With the very same info McLaren got busted for having...

 

Sort of the pot calling the kettle black.

 

Oh really? Like when?

 

What was Alonso's deception? I don't remember. I'm getting old that way.

 

Luis, Alonso admitted to the FIA that he and Pedro used the Ferrari dossier knowing that it was "misappropriated". If he had not, he would have be suspended from the championship that year.

Remember the letter that Max sent to the McLaren drivers that stated that if they 'fessed up, they would not be subject to any further disciplinary action? About that time Ron Dennis decided to cover his ass and went to Bernie.

 

Ron, I know all about that incident but how is that him cheating? He didn't steal the info, put in on the car, or force anyone to do so. He used it? Ok so, should he have told the team to not use the info? How could he not have used it either directly or indirectly? It's still a McLaren cheat, not a Fernando Alonso cheat. There's many other examples of drivers cheating but I don't see how that is one of them. MS at Monaco in 06 springs to mind, for one.

 

Alonso once again proves that he can't keep his mouth shut about things that don't concern him.
Everyone still think he'd be a good fit at Ferrari?

 

Luis, if you are part of situation where a murder is committed, you are guilty by association. If you are given a stolen car, and you use it without returning it, you are guilty by association. If you are given stolen merchandise, and you know it is stolen, yet you do nothing about it, that puts you in a situation of guilt by association. Alonso knew what he was doing, he knew where the information came from. To use it, to try to derive an advantage from it, is nothing less than cheating.

All he had to do at the moment he realized what was put in his hands by Pedro, was to come forward to the FIA.

But he did not.

 

+1 he's the last "honest" thing Ferrari need. Vettel is a better choice.

From Planet F1 - the same story about Mclaren
Alonso: Not McLaren's first deception
Saturday 4th April 2009

Fernando Alonso has little sympathy for the predicament McLaren currently find themselves in, saying this is not the first time the team has lied to stewards.

Alonso raced for McLaren in 2007, a year marred by controversy for the Woking outfit as they had to deal with on-track issues between Alonso and team-mate Lewis Hamilton as well as the infamous Stepneygate spy scandal.

One of the driver issues of that year was the Hungarian GP, where McLaren were penalised after Alonso and Hamilton had an incident during qualifying whereby Alonso was accused of holding up the Brit. As a result McLaren were banned from scoring points while Alonso lost his pole position to Hamilton.

But, according to the Spaniard, the stewards may not have heard the entire truth in that instance either.

"Of course it reminded me of 2007," the now Renault driver told the Spanish media. "It's not the first time they go to see the stewards. It's not the first time they lie to the stewards and, sooner or later, they had to be punished.

"Of course there I lost the Championship by a point and in Hungary they played a bad trick on me.

"I read about it on Thursday in the hotel, because I was there all day. I turned the computer on and I read it.

"Every time there are decisions taken against other teams you don't care too much and in this case it didn't change the result for me, so it didn't affect me too much."

 

Sorry for the delayed response. Just got home. Basically I was referring to what Ron already talked about above. As usual, he gives a much clearer explanation than I can so I'll defer to my fellow Greek

 

Ron, I understand what you are saying and agree overall, but this is sport, and a sport in which things like that happen all the time. McLaren is just dumb enough to keep getting caught. No driver on the grid would have gone to the FIA if that was the case with their team. Alonso is no more dishonest than any other driver in F1.

 

If that's not damning with faint praise........

 

Lol. I just grow tired of people that keep insisting that Alonso is somehow less honest than the rest of the drivers. If they want to dislike him, that's fine, but really, does anyone think LH didn't know about the Ferrari docs? Or that MS never lied? Or Senna or any other driver that thought it would get them a better result wouldn't lie? Oh please, if you do believe all that please PM me, there's a beautiful bridge that I own, that connects Brooklyn to Manhattan that I really need to sell....

 

True.
LOL.. I don't believe you own that bridge. So now our valued friendship must end with me cutting you up into strips and telling the rest on here that you walked over a very sharp cattle grid in an extremely heavy hat....

 

Its not his veracity that I question, its his inability to keep out of other people's business. Like everyone he's his own worst enemy but he is just too good at at

 

Dave the man certainly shoots from the hip good or bad no doubt about it.

 

Thanks.
I think

 

Lol, um ok then...

 

That much is true, but that doesn't make him a liar like some people think. I do agree he should have kept that to himself. I guess he just couldn't resist, lol

 

And that's why I think he'd be poison at any team that didn't coddle him. In other words any team that would sign a viable number two driver. In other words any team with a chance of winning the Constructor's championship.

 

Poison? McLaren screwed themselves out of the title. The whole thing started when LH directly disobeyed a team order, it was just as much LH's fault as Alonso's. After all that Alonso still damn near won the title.

 

IMO Fernado is in the top tier of drivers when it comes to ability and second to none when it comes to setting up a car but he's become a prima dona. His attitude may be a result of his experience at McLaren (another thing to hold against them) but at this point he is not a team player.
If like Renault you're shooting for a driver's title he's a good choice but if, like Ferrari, the constructor's title is a goal he's not a good choice.

 

Dave, how can you really make that determination when he's only been with one team wit h one teammate after the McLaren fiasco? None of us know if he's even had any input at all as to who his teammate is. All he's been saying is that if the Renault stinks he'll go elsewhere. There's nothing wrong with that.