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  1. phylotic

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    While I'm not an LH supporter I admire that they seized a monumental opportunity and gave it a v.good try.
    Pity they turned McL into a can of worms - they didn't have to.


    The gracious British queen continued, fluttering her eye lashes @ 19000rpm:

    "The dream was v.beautiful, but the can of worms eventually imploded, and out came cranes, and snakes and knives.
    The Spanish prince Alonso smiled happily ever after and the BBC noting the stock of ale dissipating at an alarming rate,
    after the kingdom managed a monumental 3 out of 3, rushed a national survey: 'What are we good at?'

    The Queen of Hearts replied most promptly, declaiming: 'We are good at believing impossible things!'

    But a curious girl named Alice remarked: There's no use, one can't believe in impossible things forever!
    Nooooo, I suggest we are good at remembering things before they happen. Why, just yesterday
    I read 6 autobiographies of a certain Mr. Hamilton who is the Formula1 WDC.

    And, adjusting her shawl of wool and water, the curious girl sipped her tea, whispering:
    'Much be-etter! Be-etter! Be-e-e-etter! Be-e-ehh!' ;) "
     
  2. AntonioMora

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    Yes. i am agree with you. regards.
     
  3. AntonioMora

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    interesting theory, is not bad place to stay to go in the future to the first team. regards.
     
  4. AntonioMora

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    Lewis is a good pilot but is only a rookie, last season Alonso was a nº 1 because he has two world championships with a second file car like Renault, if Dennis understand that, the first year of Hamilton is to learn from the champion maybe now Alonso have his thirt championship and Hamilton maybe are ready to win in the future, but now with all the extranger desitions of Dennis Alonso in thirt and Hamilton is criying his rookie mistakes. regards.
     
  5. Far Out

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    This will be the most interesting thing to see next season - how will Hamilton perform as the #1 driver who has to develop the car? It would be a wise move from McLaren to hire an experienced driver without #1 ambitions as a teammate for Hamilton. What about the rumours that Button will replace Alonso? Is he known to be good at setting up a car? If not, who might be a likely candidate?
     
  6. GTE

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    I would say Alex Wurz....
     
  8. V12scream

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    Makes you think that what's really happening behind the scenes is very different. Give Massa a 3 yr deal, announce it in the middle of the silly season, Kimi wins the WDC, then both FA and Ferrari making nice comments about each other. Maybe Ross is in the wings to build a team with FA at Ferrari. It just doesn't make sense. Kimi and FA, while thrilling to watch, would not be good for Ferrari.

    I'm not a huge Massa fan, but his steady improvement this year is very impressive. I hope they don't screw him after being such a team player. You could hear it in his voice at the post race interview.

    BMW is poised to take it to the next level. FA could do very well there, prob better than at Renault. But I don't see them dumping Heidfeld (a german) or hopefully Kubica, a fun driver to watch. As previously stated, they both have contracts.

    Confusing, isn't it? :)
     
  9. dretceterini

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    IMO, more the every day politics of F1, rather than being confusing :(
     
  10. IanMac

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    He won't be number one driver - McLaren don't do number one drivers.
     
  11. cantsleepnk

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    Totally Agree See post #6

    The big question is when 08 or 09 and where will Massa go???
     
  12. SRT Mike

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    I can't get behind this line of thinking... I just don't buy it.

    McLaren has never done number ones. He should absolutely not have kow-towed to Alonso in that regard. In the end, Hamilton and Alonso ended up being virtually neck and neck in performance this year, and given it's Hamilton's rookie year in F1, I think he will only get better. I think Ron and McLaren did a "we'll put them on even ground and see how they do" and the end result is it was good they didn't pick a number one. Quite frankly, any Ferrari fan should be glad they didn't, because if the points from either's wins were given to the other, McLaren would have been untouchable for WDC this year. I think McLaren are a smart group of guys. It was clear after a few races that Alonso was not going to be happy there, and they have another guy who'se as good or better who will be there long term, probably many years. So why would they sacrifice that for Alonso?

    As for Mercedes, they absolutely should not be questioning their involvement with Mac - there are six car manufacturers in F1. Even if they hold the six top spots, that means that only one of them can be in first spot. People make it sound like if you can't be in first you should quit F1. If that were so, then we'd only have one team. There can only be one winner - lately it's been Ferrari mostly, but for many years it was not. And Ferrari are not as dominant as they once were - they were beaten 2 years in a row and barely won it this year. McLaren has been a constant competitor, the winning-est team next to Ferrari. Why would MB want to stray from that? Only one team other than Ferrari has won a WDC since 1999, so McLaren having not done it is not damning criticism against them, IMO. And who is better poised to give Mercedes wins on the track than McLaren?

    I think Mercedes would be absolutely insane to even think of bailing out on McLaren at this point. They would get hit with massively more costs going alone, and at best may be looking at a 5-year plan to some wins, and there's every chance they would turn into Toyota or Honda and embarass themselves. I am sure they would want to let Ron know to keep things more square and professional going forward, but bail on them? No way - would be crazy to.
     
  13. V12scream

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    McLaren will always be a force to be reckoned with, no matter how you feel about them. Mercedes is in a win-win on this one. Not only is the experience and infrastructure there at McLaren, they now have a "rookie sensation". Can you imagine how this will translate into marketing dollars in the next several years of Hamilton's contract?!

    Hamilton will make Tiger's $40 million deal with Nike when he turned pro seem like a deal..........Britain's biggest star since Beckham.
     
  14. SRT Mike

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    Agree completely! Great post
     
  15. PhilNotHill

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    The best thing for Ferrari is for Alonshole to stay at the McCheater team with the Hamster and he knocking each other off.

    Alonso could come to Ferrari to replace Phil in 2009.

    Note: If Unfairnando comes to Ferrari, Kimi will probably not be WDC. It will either be Alonshole or someone else because Unfairnando is not a team player. He won't come unless he is numero uno and he won't help his team mate if his team mate has a chance of winning the title.
     
  16. Lexdiamonnyc

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    there's an easy fix for that my friend, just make Alonso #1 and Kimi #2.....see how easy that was.:)

    think about what a juggernaut the team would be with a 1x & 2x WDC............and Massa as test driver, ooh weeh!!!!
    I hope it happens!!!
     
  17. senna21

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    It depends what happens with Brawn and Ferrari. If Brawn moves to either Honda or Toyota I think that's where Alonso could possibly go.

    If not he'll sit tight at McLaren. Ron's not going to have a No. 1 and Mercedes isn't going to question their partnership with McLaren either.

    Hopefully next year will be as interesting as this one was but without all the brew-ha-ha.
     
  18. asds3x

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    Luca spoke very highly about FA and not so of Louise. So for all you Fred haters this can't sit well when your leader holds Fred in high regard.
     
  19. lucky_13_2002

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    Man whatever you are on, I would like to try it (once).
    To put the man who said himself in the past that he would never race for Ferrari and just disintegrated every team he raced for, not to mention blackmailed, bad mounted etc. his own team, ahead of the guy who just won the title for Ferrari after everyone thought it was impossible and put the guy, who gave up the joy of winning his home GP, as a test driver is noting short of lunacy.
    To be a Ferrari fan and hope for it just borders with stupidity!
     
  20. PhilNotHill

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    Be careful what you wish for. It just may happen.

    There will be so much turmoil on the team we'll think the Alonshole/Hamster saga was a love story. Kimi will go off and drink. Unfainando will whine and put white powder in Kimis pants. Todt will quit. Ferrari will be sold to investors in Dubai. They will only make one car a week and it won't run. Is that what you really want??? :D
     
  21. V12scream

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    ROTFLOL!!! The "Unfairnando" and The "Hamster" comments are just brutal.

    You guys are tough! (I'm laughing, and my middle name IS Fernando!)



    "There will be so much turmoil on the team we'll think the Alonshole/Hamster saga was a love story."

    What a duel it would be, but you are completely right. I also would recommend that you not use the terms "Alonshole" and "Hamster" and "love story" in the same sentence. ;)
     
  22. V12scream

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    Starting to look like Todt and Massa out, FA and Brawn in.............

    Kimi, FA, and Brawn would be a powerhouse team, but I don't think it would last. It would be fun to watch Kimi and Fernando try to cuss each other out in Italian before the trophies, though. ;)



    http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/071024170559.shtml



    Jean Todt remains coy about his future at the helm of Ferrari's Formula One team.

    Persistently strong rumours indicate that the Frenchman, who also guided the Italian squad's golden period early this century with Michael Schumacher, has fallen out over Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo over his separate vision for the future of the Prancing Horse.

    According to speculation Todt is particularly at odds with Montezemolo's desire to unite Fernando Alonso with Ferrari, with Ross Brawn at the helm, presumably at the expense of Felipe Massa, who is managed by Todt's son Nicolas.

    Todt, 61, dodged a question about his future at Interlagos last Friday.

    "Each thing at a time," he told reporters.

    Todt added: "Even with a very strong change in the team, Ferrari has remained very competitive, very strong and very united together, very good atmosphere, so that is what we wanted to achieve and that is our main objective to achieve, with or without me.
    "

    He was asked a similar question about his future at Ferrari by reporters after the race, in which Kimi Raikkonen clinched the first title in the Maranello-based outfit's post-Schumacher period.

    "My future now with the team is to have a quick dinner with them tonight, which was already planned. I need to fly later to Europe, so that is my nearest future," he answered.

    Less teasingly, Todt added that it is not yet "the proper time" to address his longer term future at the helm of the famous team.

    But he suggested: "The final result (of the 2007 championship) is not going to affect my personal choices."
     
  23. peter5

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    Why on earth would you want that? That's probably the worst idea ever for the sport and the team. Ferrari proved only three days ago that they don't need Alonso, or the baggage he brings.
    So you propose that Ferrari relegate the fastest driver in F1 to a #2, so that Alonso can be #1? Kimi wouldn't be allowed to race - where is the fun in that? Hell, why not make Hamilton the test driver, then we wouldn't even need to have them race.
    As awful a commissioner as Bernie is, even he would think that idea is terrible.
     
  24. Senna3xWC

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    You could say the EXACT same thing about Michael Schumacher. He did OK at Ferrari, didn't he?
     
  25. Senna3xWC

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    Alonso disintegrated every team he drove for?

    Really?!?

    They why has McLaren not fired him? Why is Renault aggressively trying to re-sign him? Seems to me like those teams that he supposedly "disintegrated" don't have a problem with having him stay on. What do they know that you don't? (a lot, I would assume).

    You don't know much about F1 it seems and you sure don't know much about Ferrari and its history of treating drivers. If it were up to you, Kimi would never have won the 2007 WDC as you were calling for him to be fired early in the season. I would be less concerned about labelling driver moves and team decisions as stupid and lunacy and more concerned with learning what you are talking about, if I were you.
     

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