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Alonso - "Renault would not be my first choice"

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  1. Lexdiamonnyc

    Lexdiamonnyc Formula Junior

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    for me, it's simple........I just want to see my favorite driver at my favorite team...........what's wrong with that?
    am I not entitled to my opinion.......or should I have follow the rest of the herd?
     
  2. climb

    climb F1 Rookie

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    I don't blame Alanso for being the way he is. He could have been three time world champion up 'till last Sunday and coming from that position of strength he could have been shooting for his 4th.

    The guy is fighting to be one of the great names. Prolly in his mind thinks he could still win two more titles.

    Sure the rookie is fast or maybe faster but he's stil a rookie and the rookie proved to be just that in the last race.

    If i felt more of the teams focus and resources were going to the rookie i'd be upset too.
     
  3. IanMac

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    I think you should read up a little on how Enzo treated drivers before making statements like this.
     
  4. lucky_13_2002

    lucky_13_2002 F1 Rookie

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    Man put the crack pipe aside for a minute and seriously think what are you saying. First off I was supporting the team and their driver line up the entire season wile you and the rest of your buddies (you all know who you are) were making apologies for McCheaters and telling everyone how Ferrari should hire Alonshole if they wanted to win titles.
    Yes I have said in the beginning that I am somewhat disappointed in Kimi and that he should wake up, but I don't recall saying EVER that he should be fired.
    Alonshole disintegrates teams. It is a fact. Everyone knows all the sh!~ he was saying at the end of last year at Renault. Look at what happened with them when he left. You love to compare him with Schumi. Actually you love to bash Schumi any chance you get, so before you do it next time, look at what Schumi left behind when he left Ferrari. Now for your own exercise look at what he started with at Ferrari. Actually, whatever, I don't know why I'm telling you this as you know it all anyway.
    Now you can look at McCheaters. They fell apart this year and disgraced themselves and the sport. And Alonshole has a key role in it. There is no denial about it.
    Renault are trying to resign him-maybe. So far they refuse to pay what he is asking for. As comparison MS could get whatever he asked for from any team.
    I know that any of us here can never come even close to your allmighty F1 knowledge but maybe you should check what Ross Brown's opinion was about Alonshole when consulted whether he(Alonshole) should be hired by Ferrari.
    Also there was news that on a meeting, the Mercedes/McLaren board of directors has approved Alonshole being dropped from the team. I think the only reason why it has not being made official that he is fired is because of the legal issues with his contract.
    Also a key issue in both, Renault wanting to hire him and McCheaters not yet firing him, is money. I hope you don't need an explanation why.
    Also about firing. Why this so-respect-deserving-team has not yet fired Coughlan?
     
  5. PhilNotHill

    PhilNotHill Two Time F1 World Champ
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    There is a reason why Alonso left Renault and is very unhappy at McLaren. He is not a team player.

    Schumi was committed to Ferrari and Ferrari to him. When Alonso can stay with a team and win 6 WDC, I will have to change my opinion. Until then, he is just a Schumi wannabe. Not in the same league IMVHO. I know you disagree.

    We may find out if Alonso can drive for Ferrari in 2009. Stranger things have happened. He may stick it out and win several WDCs. We'll just have to wait and see.
     
  6. Qvb

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    Just like 2007, Kimi doesn't care if you call him number 1 or 2 (He had the yellow camera, he does not care). Bring Alonso, call him #1. There will be no fighting, just a crying Alonso as he is smoked so badly by mid season that he must support the #2. And if he won't do his job, a replacement can be used for the remainder of the season.

    I say leave him at Mclaren where he and Hamilton can fight while Kimi racks up the championships.
     
  7. Senna3xWC

    Senna3xWC F1 Rookie

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    I did, that is why I made that comment. I am not sure if I was clear in my point?
     
  8. Senna3xWC

    Senna3xWC F1 Rookie

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    I think there is more F1 knowledge in my morning bowel movement than you have demonstrated in your entire tenure here.
     
  9. Senna3xWC

    Senna3xWC F1 Rookie

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    I disagree. Schumacher was committed to Ferrari ONLY when it was committed to him. Let's not be historical revisionists. This idyllic notion that Schumacher was willing to make personal sacrifices on behalf of the team is nonsense. One only needs to look at how he treated Benneton at the end of his time there, how he treated Ferrari when they needed him to come back and support Irvine's title bid, and how he reacted when Ferrari tried to sign both Mika and Kimi.

    Schumacher was never a "team" player. Schumacher was in it for Schumacher and Ferrari was his means to that end. That is it. Plain and simple. To argue otherwise is to ignore the facts.

    Now, to my point, I find nothing wrong with Schumacher's attitude. in fact I think this "Schumacher first" attitude is the reason he was so successful. He did meld the team around him but make no mistake, the team was there for HIM, he was NOT there to support Ferrari other than as their lead driver. His acts as the #1 driver for that team were suited for one end, and one end only, to ensure that HE became WDC.

    This is why I am not too critical of Alonso's attitude though I agree his methods are not wise. He too is intent on ensuring that his team is built around his goals and his ambitions. He is neither as wise nor as prudent as Schumacher in achieving this aim but his motives are not only sound and understandable, they are virtually a prerequisite to become WDC.



    Not at all, I agree with you 100%. I think Alonso is an exceptionally talented driver and a deserving WDC. However he is certainly not in the class of the all-time greats, which is where I rank Schumacher. The only driver in F1 today that I think has the potential of ranking among the greatest alltime in the sport is Hamilton. Alonso and Kimi are both well-deserved world champions but neither of them will ultimately be as great as Hamilton, in my opinion. Whether Hamilton is ultimately as successful as Schumacher remains to be seen.
     
  10. IanMac

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    Sorry, my error. I thought you were suggesting they had a reputation for treating drivers well, but I see I might well have misinterpreted your post.
     
  11. Senna3xWC

    Senna3xWC F1 Rookie

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    To the contrary, Enzo thought of his drivers as commodities. He paid them poorly, thinking that the privilege of driving for Ferrari was sufficient reward. (Some might argue that he was not wrong :D)

    Niki Lauda had some interesting things to say of his time with Enzo during his Ferrari years in his autobiography.
     

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