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Alonso Unimpressed by Rossi Tests

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  1. T.O. Dino

    T.O. Dino Formula Junior

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    Art, Although I don't agree with you on the Hopkins being the next Moto champ. I agree with you 100 % on this.
     
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  3. rsvmille676

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    I couldn't agree more. I went from being very quick on a race track in a car to not so quick on a bike while at the same track. I have been racing bikes now for 3 years and have picked up a lot of speed since starting and am now an upper mid-pack guy. So When I instruct with cars now it is times easier than that of racing or teaching on a bike.

    I like Alonso but I think that statement is a gross exaggeration on his part.
     
  4. SRT Mike

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    I hope Rossi takes Alonso up on his comment. I like Rossi a lot - a GREAT character for any sport and I'd like to see him in F1. I don't think his success is by any means guaranteed. He may be an upper-mid pack guy like a Webber or a Button or a Barrichello, but he MAY end up being a Schumacher or a Raikkonen too. Only time will tell.

    One thing I am pretty sure of though, is that the goober Alonso would be nowhere NEAR Rossi's times were Alonso to ride a bike. I dont know if he even rides but even if he does, it takes the best of the best to come close to Rossi. To think that an non-racer would be 2-3 seconds off and score the occasional podium? HA! Bring on the test offers! let's see him put his money where his mouth is.
     
  5. kirill

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    I think MS can goo faster than that, but why ? He got wife,kid, and good enough stash of cash, why would he endanger his life ?
     
  6. LightGuy

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    I think Rossi is a legend in BIKE racing. Different skills in formula cars at this level. Without learning the ropes in lower formulas, and even most of these drivers dont climb the ladder, this is an exercise in publicity.
    Alonso is 100% correct, even though not politically correct.
     
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  8. smart_alek

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    Wasn't Damon Hill a bike racer before getting into F1? He was at club level, o rmaybe a little higher.
     
  9. tifosi12

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    yes and yes

    Surtees is a closer comparison to Rossi, but that was also a different time.
     
  10. Miura Jota

    Miura Jota F1 Rookie

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    it takes a super human to ride a Superbike at MotoGP levels
    while anyone can drive fast an F1 4 wheeler

    Valentino Rossi is more than a human. adn he's been able to dominate MotoGP in 2 different makes of bikes

    the main difference between F1 cars & bikes is the grip surface of Tires
    about 300% more in a car obviously.
     
  11. LightGuy

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    Uhhh... yeah, right.
     
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  13. tifosi12

    tifosi12 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Hehe. He is actually right about that. The real question is what Gilles27 mentioned: The final tenth.

    Rossi has been driving fast at Fiorano. Just like Gene, Badoer, Giovanardi (ok that was Vallelunga not Fiorano). Names you don't associate with F1 podiums.
     
  14. dretceterini

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    I wonder how Ago would have done in car racing :)
     
  15. dretceterini

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    fast is relative :)
     
  16. tifosi12

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    #38 tifosi12, Feb 17, 2006
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    A bit off topic, but here it goes: A Ferrari F1 racer who went from 4 to 2 wheels: Berger at last year's Goodwood Revival of Speed. It was a memorial race for Barry Sheene.
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  17. LightGuy

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    Anyone except Rossi ?
     
  18. speedy_sam

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    I see another "trading paint" show coming up: Rossi vs Alonso :)
     
  19. tifosi12

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    Hehe. Alonso would get clobbered. Rossi is a lot closer to the limit than Alonso could ever be on a bike.

    LightGuy: No. Actually Berger did dismal: Run out after a few laps with mechanical issues. I got some pics of that too, but didn't want to completely hijack the thread.
     
  20. 2000YELLOW360

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    One last point: a critical element of racing motorcycles is the fear element. A good way to tell if a kid is going to make in bikes is how fast are they after they get out of the hospital? Alonzo would have to overcome that fear element, no roll bars, not fenders, no crush zone, nope, just you, your leathers, and the pavement. It's one thing to slide the car, another to slide an unstable motorcycle.

    If Michael was 20 seconds off Rossi, he's about as quick as I probably am, which isn't all that fast, not good enough to even run at the National level (used to be better, but I got old). Alonzo probably couldn't make it at the National level, let alone GP. On the other hand, Rossi is faster than about 50% of the field in testing. Point made.

    Art
     
  21. Miura Jota

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  22. ferrari4evr1

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    LOL, LOL!!! Thats what i was thinking...
    I think Alonso believes that because he is the world champ in a F1 car, so, he can beat anyone in anything. Bikes and cars are dramatically different.....
    Alonso would need years to practice before he could ever hang with Rossi (competitively on a bike).....

    Nice try Alonso, talk all the smack you want..........
     
  23. TurboFreak650

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    Very bold statement from Alonso, and I don't think it would be true unless perhaps he had a few SEASONS of practice.
     
  24. ferraripete

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    art, all good points. i started racing motorcycles late (26yrs) after racing cars at the scca national level , some imsa gtu and last , the firehawk series. i had ridden bikes for some years on the street but could never envision racing bikes. i started racing when a good friend of mine lee bivens, a well known artist (http://www.artlee.com go look at his stuff...it is pretty cool!) invited me to see him race at road atlanta on a wera weekend. there i met 2 of lee's buddies dave sadowski and scott russell. two of the fastest dudes to throw a leg over the seat (russell should have won the 500cc world championship in his carreer but for his bad decision making!). they convinced me that if i was fast in the car, i was half way there to being fast on the bike. well...after my first riding school, all i remember was thinking how easy it was to go fast in a gtu car and how this motorcycle stuff was INSANE!!!!!

    i raced at the gtu level in cars and the wera/ccs level as an expert (white plates) motorcycle racer...a long way away from f-1 and moto gp however, i think alonso's comments about being able to compete at the top level in moto gp is a joke. f-1, one races n 2 dimensions but in moto gp....you race in 3 dimensions and every dimension makes your eyes, body, and mind BEND!

    Rossi also has huge experience in working w/ and understanding data acqisition which will also help him find his way to the limit.

    i think rossi is a racer and he will adapt to f-1.
     
  25. 505T

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    His comment to me seems more of an analogy than a claim. I think he makes his point.


    "I could start riding a motorbike and, after three years training, be a second from them, but I don't pretend that I could beat Dani (Pedrosa) or someone who has been in motorbikes since they were three years old."
     
  26. Paul Vincent

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    Remember how Michael Jordan left basketball to play baseball? Well, he really didn't intend for things to turn out as they did. Point? Talk is cheap. Really cheap.
     
  27. Hubert

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    I think Alonso had a lobotomy the day he made those comments. You could give Alonso three years and he'd still not be on the podium, much less in the top half of the GP grid. Trailbrake too long in a car = lazy spin, no big deal; trailbrake too long on a bike, as you bank it over = lowside which means you hit pavement at speed. The bridge Alonso's trying to cross is very wide and very long. From the tone of Alonso's commentary, he's probably never ridden a motorcycle, much less raced one.
     
  28. bill365

    bill365 F1 Rookie

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    Simple observation....

    There have been a number of high ranking GP type bike racers that have made, at least respectable transitions to GP cars, John Surtees to mention one.

    I cannot think of any GP car drivers, that have made successful transitions to bikes.
     

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