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  1. Stewart 430 Scud

    Stewart 430 Scud Formula Junior

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    It relates to a certain individual on here who seems to enjoy stiring things up. Like 99.9% of the people on here you are a decent chap to converse and post with.
     
  2. 360stimo

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    Wow, getting more like CS every minute !
     
  3. NeuroBeaker

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    Ah ok - and thanks for the complement. :)

    All the best,
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  4. Stewart 430 Scud

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    Ends uo last after turn one and fights back to gain fourth.

    Even though Fernando is faster, Massa holds position (and entitled to do so). No after race or in-car radio moaning.

    he whinger Hamilton cannot pass and makes a complete hash of it.

    Pretty soon you will all be in agreement with me that Fernando is a great Ferrari driver.
     
  5. Fan512bbi

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    Alonso gets my vote as driver of the day :)
     
  6. thepinkumbrella

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    I have never doubted that.
    Soon enough he will join the long list of Ferrari World Champions and by doing so will mark the return of Ferrari dominance in F1.

    Paul
     
  7. NeuroBeaker

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    Hmmm... I'm not convinced yet.

    He is a great driver, but I worry about how he interacts with the team and what goes on behind the scenes - in short, I don't think he's yet proven his temperament has changed from his McLaren days.

    I used to be quite the Lewis Hamilton fan, but recently he's been flying off the rails... all the off-track spats with Webber, the police stop, blaming his tyres for poor qualifying, blaming his team for his poor race result - I once thought he was a multi-titled champion in the making, but now, if he carries on this way, I wonder if he'll be a one hit wonder.

    I thought Schumacher drove well today. He had a racing incident that ruined his race and he wasn't in the fastest car - but he still managed to come home in the points. Drivers of the day for me are Button for looking after his tyres and trying something risky (early switch to slicks), and Massa for holding off a lot of pressure from cars trying to overtake him. :D

    All the best,
    Andrew.
     
  8. NeuroBeaker

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    You know Paul, Massa is leading Alonso in the points after two races. ;)

    All the best,
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  9. 8-Ball

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    I think I already agree. :)

    Between him and Kubica I reckon.

    Are we getting close to needing a spoiler in the title?
     
  10. thepinkumbrella

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    Which table are you looking at????

    The ones I look at show Alonso leading by four points....

    Paul
     
  11. 8-Ball

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    Erm, which points would they be?
     
  12. NeuroBeaker

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    Oh crud... I got confused. My mistake - I thought Massa was four points ahead after today. :eek: :eek: :eek:
     
  13. NeuroBeaker

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    The points I apparently can't read correctly. :p
     
  14. thepinkumbrella

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    I would say stick to the picture quiz, ............but.......:rolleyes:

    Paul
     
  15. NeuroBeaker

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    I'm just having an off... um... year. :eek:

    :D
     
  16. Stewart 430 Scud

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    Andrew,

    I have without intention courted controversy on this site this week and whilst i have no wish to cause upset i have to ask, is this negativity toward the great man Fernando a Scotish thing.:D
     
  17. tommo

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    Ferrari have 2 great drivers, and Alonso adds consistency. With him you guarantee a hat full of points.

    It'll be a 2 horse race this year, Alonso & Vettell. Even though Vettell lost out today, Red Bull won't make too many more mistakes. I know its a case of 'what if's', but Vettell could be on 50 points atm, and no doubt he's fuming

    As for Hamilton - he needs to get a grip before his season implodes
     
  18. Fan512bbi

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    I would not discount Jenson just yet.
     
  19. tommo

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    Normally I wouldn't but I just don't think the car has the speed of the Ferraris or Red Bull's, else I'd also be suggesting Hamilton too
     
  20. Fan512bbi

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    It may not have the speed yet but i believe Jenson showed today that speed in itself does not matter? it can stay with the Red Bull's and Ferrari's but is more reliable and Jenson's style of driving makes up for a loss of a few tenths per second?

    IMO if Mclaren evolve this years car the same as last year then we will have another British World champ in 2010, who i dont know but i would not mind betting on Jenson.
     
  21. Stewart 430 Scud

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    I just dont see a natural can do attitude in Jeson. I have cheered with gusto for Nigel Mansel and Damion Hill ( not the best driver in the world) but i just cant get behind Jeson.
     
  22. rmdferrari

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    He protected his tyres very well today, and models his style on Prost. This will be a deciding factor this year I believe. I'm with Steve.... Button is a strong contender.
     
  23. NeuroBeaker

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    :eek: How dare you-........................... just kidding. ;)

    Actually, I'm American born to English parents - so I'm not really Scottish, just a pretender whilst doing my university studies up here. As for the Scots, generally I'd say they feel quite fondly towards Alonso as he was constantly helping to annoy the Englishman (Lewis Hamilton) in 2007. :D

    I just cannot trust Alonso after all the dishonesty during his time at McLaren. He knowingly and actively discussed Ferrari data during his time there with Pedro de la Rossa and then when he felt he wasn't receiving his due deference within the team threatened Ron Dennis with going to the FIA and revealing this wonderful little scandal. Ron Dennis then approached the FIA himself (having only just found out about all this) and Alonso gets off with amnesty while the team is heavily fined and lose their points for the constructors championship. You don't do something like that accidentally - it wasn't some sort of unfortunate circumstance he found himself in one day, he actively participated every step of the way.

    It demonstrated to me that Fernando Alonso is not to be trusted. His ability to work as a team player when his role does not involve being the one out front was called into question when he did things like deliberately block the pit box for Lewis Hamilton to prevent Lewis from getting in another qualifying lap. It was unprofessional.

    Add to that the scandals that occurred during his time at Renault and that he did not question or discuss the unusual order to bring him in early at Singapore (as any normal driver would, in my opinion) before Nelson Piquet Jr's planned crash... and I think he must surely have known about that too.

    As great as he is in controlling and setting up a car, I worry about his character. Mistakes are things you can learn of, but I think his past revealed serious character flaws which are far more difficult fix - and I'm not sure he has done.

    So, in conclusion, it will take a while if I am ever to feel good about Fernando Alonso at Ferrari.

    All the best,
    Andrew.
     
  24. Stewart 430 Scud

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    As the reports and transcripts from the FIA at the time showed, things were a little differant than above.

    It was infact De La Rosa that showed Fernando e-mails regarding the Ferrari info that Mclaren had. Ron Dennis admitted that he already new of the problem but only went to the FIA when Fernando suggested that he might contact them.

    Fernando did not start and was not responsible the whole Ferrarigate episode that was the corrupt team we now no to be Maclaren.
     

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