and for something entirely different.....Mp4/4

This reminds me, my yard needs weed eating.

 

Mclaren would be better off running that car this season. Or using their road car.

 

Thought it sounded rather pedestrian, compared to this Honda... [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBxw4whvBiA]Formula 1 v10 engine sound from Honda. - YouTube[/ame]

 

That's a 1,200 hp weedeater!

 

You're right.

 

But doesn't sound good either . Man, I'm going to miss the 18K rpm V8s.

 

Indeed. Those V10s revved higher than the limited 18K of today's V8s, no? It sounds like 20K rpm.

Those are the old turbos man. That will be an 800+ HP weed eater .

 

Turbos are fine with me, but 15K rpm... thats my problem!!!!!!! Let them run the limit. if you want to prove that "eco" V6 turbos are the way to go then keep the same 18K rpm limit. I get all the fuel restrictions and blah blah. In the end though; if turbos going to 18K were available we'd satisfy the people against the change and the political people all about "eco".

 

Well, it's both: cylinder count x rpm limit = pulses/minute, which gives you the sound. But at least 18K wouldn't be as bad as 15K. Just listen how the Indy cars sound. But typically, turbo engines rev lower than N/A engines. I've said many times F1 should just restrict fuel, and let teams design the most efficient engine any way they want, be it a V8, V10, H6T, V6T, I4T, etc. No need to restrict anything else, because a 3.0L V10 wouldn't get to the finish line with today's fuel limit. No need to artificially restrict what F1 has always been all about: the best technology around. Now they're going to be almost like a freaking Indy car < yuk>.

 

Speaking as a younger generation at 32 years old, V10's were hands down and flat out, not even describable!!! At that time there was no HD film/sound that could even capture a V10 F1 car, but even now no iphone can replicate a V8 viewer at a race. Good "youtube" F1 footage is hard to find or to sell younger viewers on. Many of my younger co-workers/designers are motor sports fans, but have only attended Nascar or Englishtown events to compare. I keep assuring them that F1 will blow there minds and thankfully the past 4 years. Anyone that is free to attend Montreal returns every year. Why? V8's at 18,000 rpms....all are confused and also smiling as you walk across the bridge from the island with the metro to your seats in the hairpin. Thats what I hope F1 doesn't lose with the 2014 change.

You can hear motorcycles 2 miles away, but when you hear an F1 engine at 3,4,5 miles away and question, what are those popping noises? That is what Bernie is selling. My wife and I went to Maranello this past Aug/Sept on our honeymoon. Having done all the major sites prior, since this was my third trip to Italy, I had a choice of Monza or quiet Honeymoon weekend in Maranello. Guess who made that choice!!

We took the tour and saw the sites. Above all memories, my wife (a Jenson fan) says...I think we should go to England with a smirk. She also remarked, "Thats no V6". fans will know the difference and will adjust, but I don't think its the overall displacement that hooks people. Its the RPM range.

Having attended Nurburgring 2002, Montreal 2010-present, Coca Cola 600 (4 times), Lime Rock, RIT SAE events..... Germany all those years ago it still blows my mind.....

 

Yup, I agree and totally get the math, even with fuel restrictions. That should be the challenge. But thats my wish. However, if they sound like Indy.....its Indy. F1 is the premier motorsport challenge. Both the aero/engines should match that.

Any eco agenda should be saved for v6 honda/mclaren mini vans.

 

Holy fu#€!!! I didn't realize how much I missed the V10 sound. Truly chilling!! Thanks for the clip.

 

It's the fact that we'll be settling, knowing that a better F1 has come an gone. Less cylinders, less RPM, less horse powers, less speed, all add up to less car. Less car is nothing for any motor sport fan to be excited about. Quite the opposite.

 

The 88 turbo's in this Mp4/4 were severely limited and down to around 700hp from the previous years of 1300hp+ in qualifying.

Best sounding N/A engine was the 1994 Ferrari 3.5L V12 limited to 15,000 producing 820hp

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBXUOomynxw]ferrari f1 sounds v12 1994 412t1 car - YouTube[/ame]




There is only that 15 second section of 1986 Australia F1 coverage with Jackie Stewart in the pits that gives a true reproduction of the best turbo sounds which may not have shrieked as well as the 94 V12 but was much louder and had a lot more strength to it.

 

As wonderful as these V12 Ferrari engines from that era sounded, and they do sound wonderful and musical, i would have to say that I find the shear howl, volume and savagery of the V10's from around 2004/2005 more thrilling.

Nice comparison video here - [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Vs4Mv7ibkA]Ferrari F1 V10 vs V12 EPIC Sounds! - YouTube[/ame]

 

Nice video, 1st off that V12 is the 1995 3.0L not the 3.5L from 94. 2nd even here the V12 sounds more pure, a higher shriek while the V10 sounds sick/off, like it has a hole in the exhaust or a misfire, even though it is fine. It is more guttural but not louder or nicer IMO.

The 04/05 were kindof a mix, they had some lower tone power and some high end shriek, but they did neither as well as the 86 turbo or 94 3.5 V12.

 

Yes, it sounds bad. As in, not good.

-F

 

It sounds too civilized..

 

Yes, I suppose so.

I know, sorry. I'm repressing my feelings about the new regs. I don't even like thinking about it.

 

I hear you, and to an extent agree - I'm certainly not convinced either.

OTOH, these will be far and away the most advanced powertrains on the planet. "Pinnacle of technology" and all that good stuff that the naysayers are always demanding more of. Huge amounts of ES (energy store) rather than the "toys" they're currently running.

As long as the fuel flow restriction isn't set too low, I remain hopeful they'll be just fine. [And if it is, I suspect it'll get increased.]

We may even be pleasantly surprised at their pace & possibly even sound. Again, I'm not convinced, but we've gotta give 'em a chance.

And at least it's tempted Honda back.

Cheers,
Ian

 

that's been the point of My posts on this exact subject!

Too many on here have written off not only the sound of the forth coming V6 turbo's but also the races!

At least lets see and hear these cars before we declare them to "Sound rubbish", or condemn the racing as being "c£^p!"

I'm old enough to remember how the loss of the V12's was mourned and how the V10's were going to sound like "s#!t!"

Then it was going to be a disaster going from 3.0 V10's to 2.4 V8's! The racing was going to be rubbish and the sound even worse!

Now here we are again condemning the up and coming engine formula before we've even got there!

As Fast_ian says, lets at least give it a chance first, even those who aren't convinced!