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  1. william

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    Now Argentina wants a spot on the calendar

    https://www.planetf1.com/news/argentina-spot-on-the-calendar/

    Argentina is the latest country to throw its name in the hat for a spot on the F1 calendar, at least according to the country’s sports mister.

    Argentina hosted 21 F1 grands prix between 1953 and 1998.

    The race was dropped from the calendar due to financial troubles and the outdated facilities at the Autódromo Oscar Alfredo Gálvez in Buenos Aires.

    However, two decades later the country’s new sports minister Matias Lammens is keen to see Formula 1 return to the South American country.

    “We would like to work towards recovering Formula 1 in a few years,” InsideRacing reports Lammens as having told Diario AS Argentina.

    “It would be very interesting for Argentina from a sporting and a tourism point of view.”

    Lammens, though, is looking for the private sector to step up and foot the bill.

    “Although this is a significant investment, I believe that we can work to make it happen with private sponsors,” he said.
     
  2. Adrian Thompson

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    At least there is some fine history both hosting and participating with Argentina unlike most of the new adds.
     
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  3. Rosso328

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    Combine the histories from Argentina and Lime Rock Park in the US...

    We could have The Pampas Bull Ring.
     
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  4. lorenzobandini

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    #4 lorenzobandini, Jan 27, 2020
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    'Understand the premise but how would one establish "fine history both hosting and participating" if not first being a "new add"? Argentina was itself a "new add" in 1953..... We, the USA, were a "new add" in 1959 at Sebring (No, I'm not counting Indy 500 as a vast majority of Grand Prix drivers didn't run in it, it gave points but it wasn't a Grand Prix...)......... ;)
     
  5. DF1

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    The Argentine's have a new money printing press lol :)
     
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  6. Ferrari 308 GTB

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    Still amazed they couldn't find a solution for German GP in 2020.
     
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  7. DF1

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    Yes and Liberty said heritage races would matter..........
     
  8. stavura

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    Anyone that believes anything Liberty says deserves a punch in the schnoz.
     
  9. WPOZZZ

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    #9 WPOZZZ, Jan 28, 2020
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    Next we will have a Colombian Gran Prix, with the USGP to immediately follow. Additional cargo will help offset costs.
     
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  10. DeSoto

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    But there were national championships in Argentina and the USA, international drivers and people building race cars. The good old "starting from the ground".

    I've just checked it and in Vietnam there isn't even tv coverage for F1.
     
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  11. william

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    I am not. German promoters have enough sense to resist Liberty's fees.
    It's the same stuff for most European locations, bar Monaco that doesn't pay.
     
  12. DeSoto

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    Liberty seems to be a bit more benevolent to European promoters. At least Italy got a heavy discount and Spain sneaked into the calendar at the last minute.

    The German GP was struggling already at the post-Schumacher era, I don't know why. Maybe Hockenheim was weakened by Nurburgring and Nurburgring later went south because of their own problems.
     
  13. william

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    The German GP was running at lost in the last few years. It was recently bailed out by Mercedes for one year.
    The organisers say the public won't pay inflated ticket prices to allow them to break even.
    Bearing in mind that the Germans have the highest disposable income in Europe, this is alarming.

    It maybe that GP is now less interesting or affordable than DTM?
    Running on an "amputated" Hockenheim track doesn't help.
     
  14. lorenzobandini

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    (A) 'Nothing to do with "entertaining" a round of F1.

    (B) Apparently you're not quite on it. Holding the race in "your" country has naught to do with domestic entertainment nor about sport.......
    The money is spent for "self" promotion to the rest of the world. ;)
     
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  15. DeSoto

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    Oh, no way! Nobody had figured it out!

    I'm not interested in the business that Liberty Media and the Vietnamese Ministry of Tourism can do.
     
  16. william

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    Unfortunately, Liberty prefers to go where the money is, rather than places where traditionally the F1 fanbase is.
    It's probably good business for them, but disastrous for F1 in the long run.
    From a TV viewer's perspective, I don't know if the location makes a lot of difference, as long as the racing is good.
     
  17. lorenzobandini

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    #17 lorenzobandini, Jan 29, 2020
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    (A) (Actually, I figgered that all along... Image Unavailable, Please Login )

    (B) We's being interested or not, they's (LM and whatever countries) gonna' do what they's gonna' do.... Image Unavailable, Please Login

    (C) Where the money is is what business is all about, therefore, you answer the whole th'ang....TV is where it's at re: the nations', municipalities' (or whatever') seeking the exposure. As I've stated many times before, the racing is "good"....:rolleyes:....(closer than back in the day). The fields are tighter than ever.
    What's missing is the diversity in innovation and design, which has been sacrificed in the name of "good" (again, actually not so...close is more appropriate, just not real) racing (again, all venues)....... :(

    I'm old school also.....'glad I caught 25ish years of it while it was still real and good.....and don't like what's happening to the "sport". It's demise began in the late sixties, and "my" one and only team started it, with the sponsor as the livery ( GOLD LEAF Team Lotus ), rather than the previous country colours and small (regulated) sponsors decals.
    'Twas the beginning of the end of "sport" (all venues, not just F1)....and the birth of the new sho-bizzie "sport"......... Image Unavailable, Please Login

    I know, I'm a skipping record (yikes, memory of vinyl) playing the same verse over and over. Such wuz my passion for the sport of auto racing. Thus, I digress..... ;)
     
  18. spirot

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    I'd love to see a race in Argentina. The track there was challenging. when I was growing up it was always Argentina -Brazil and South Africa as the first races of the year... then they moved to Europe and then to Canada and back to Europe and japan then finished up in the USA... to me it would make sense to have the "American" rounds all grouped together - along with the Asian races all grouped together.......
     
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  19. lorenzobandini

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    That would make too much sense, no? However, there are many things to consider. Weather, the best "season" for the appearance of the host locale, etc., etc.
    Again, we're not just talking about a "sport" any longer.
    Fer instance, Watkins Glen in the fall (with Canada and Mexico; efficiency, as opposed to demographics) was not the best time to hold the race (weather; and yeeaah, I know about the leaves' colours) but it was still more about sport at the time. ;)
     
  20. lorenzobandini

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    That would make too much sense, no? However, there are many things to consider. Weather, the best "season" for the appearance of the host locale, etc., etc.
    Again, we're not just talking about a "sport" any longer.
    Fer instance, Watkins Glen in the fall (with Canada and Mexico; efficiency, as opposed to demographics) was not the best time to hold the race (weather; and yeeaah, I know about the leaves' colours) but it was still more about sport at the time. ;)
     
  21. william

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    I would welcome it too, but I don't think it will happen: no money, no track, no public interest.
     
  22. Zeus

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    I agree that a successful F1 race in Argentina would require public interest, meaning a competitive Argentine driver, which it doesn't have at present. Back when Carlos Reutemann, a national hero, was racing every seat at the track was filled, even at practice, and the excitement level throughout Buenos Aires was sky high. He was treated like a rock star everywhere he went. I crewed on my brother's F1 team at the 1979 race. The fans went nuts chanting "Lole, Lole" in unison over and over every time Carlos was visible in the paddock. I never saw such a rabid reaction for any driver at any other track including their home races.
     
  23. Flavio_C

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    Even though Argentina doesn't have a F1 driver for years, it's a country where motorsport is popular. Their TC2000 and Turismo Carretera races are always packed with public and AFAIK are on national TV too. Take a look at Interlagos, no Brazilian driver but still it was sold out.

    I would love a race in Buenos Ayres too, but their economy is doing badly and to make things worse they now have a socialist government. On the other hand, as already mentioned in a previous post, socialists love to print money so who knows what's going to happen...
     
  24. william

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    They can boost their economy with "quantitative easing" in their own currency, but surely they can't print dollar bills !!!
     
  25. Mitch Alsup

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    Heritage races do matter to Liberty--as long as it is accompanied by $25M+
     
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