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And then the detailer backed into my Dino

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  1. FarmerDave

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    FarmerDave's barn door doesn't swing that way. :D
     
  2. nopassn

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    I think they were weighing just a panel respray vs. a front clip respray vs. an entire respray...
     
  3. dm_n_stuff

    dm_n_stuff Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Pete.

    We aren't talking about a new front clip, just repainting it. The paint is 25 yrs old. (BTW, a new front clip is in excess of $10K US right now with the exchange rate.)

    If I just spot the paint in, it's not going to match, and it's going to fade at a different rate than the old paint, maiking it even more noticeable as time goes on. Remember, I'm keeping this till my kids pry the keys out of my cold dead hand.

    I know it's not a high bucks Ferrari, but, it deserves to be put back into the condition it was in before the damage occured. That's what insurance is for, to return the car to it's pre-accident condition, right? And if it needs a good repaint to get it to that condition, then so be it.

    If I can toss some bucks at the project and get some rust spots taken care of, and a couple of drips in the original paint, along with some problems in the rubber for the front and rear windows, then I'm gonna do it. I've already explained to the insurance company that I don't expect them to pay more than they should.

    That's what we're talking about.

    Dave
     
  4. PSk

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    Dave,

    It's one of the very best Ferraris ... so totally agree.

    Sorry I got confused, I thought you were talking about cutting the front clip OFF ... I'll shutup now :eek:
    Pete
     
  5. dm_n_stuff

    dm_n_stuff Four Time F1 World Champ
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    No need to shut up.

    Always appreciate your input.

    No harm, no foul. :D
     
  6. synchro

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    Ouch!
     
  7. dm_n_stuff

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    DING!! ROUND TWO.

    Adjuster went to see the car. With the capable assistance of the folks at the paint/body shop he came to the conclusion that the car will have to be repainted, stem to stern.

    Will need all new window rubber, gaskets, felts, etc. Doors off, hoods & trunk off, strip old paint, (all agreed that three layers of paint would be too many) and then respray.

    Now for his staggering estimate, $20-25K. I almost fainted. The insurance will pay all but my $100 deductable.

    So, no need for further body punches, the insurance folks will be doing what's right, putting the car back to the way it was before the dent. Truly unfortunate for all parties that a blended paint job isn't going to work. Just going to have to re-paint the car.

    This will happen in June-July if all goes well.

    DING. DING. DING. Fight over before it even started. Just shows what a good insurance company will do for you.

    Dave M.
     
  8. dretceterini

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    nice to see an insurance company actually doing what they are supposed to. Just who are you insured with?
     
  9. Teenferrarifan

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    Dave keep us posted..... Is that the price Cavallo gave you? Did they give you a time period for the repaint?
    Erik
     
  10. UroTrash

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    Tell us, they just got 100 policies I bet.
     
  11. LAfun2

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    Sorry to hear Dave, but looks like at the end it all worked out. :) At the end good people always figure out a way to make things right. :)

    Some questions, if you don't mind:

    1) Does your insurance premium go up?

    2) The detailer compensating in any way?

    3) Who are you insured with on the Dino? I assume the Dino and LD were with diff companies?

    4) Whats your daughters phone number again? :D

    Ok forget the last one ;) I will get it myself. :)

    On a more serious note, this is the reason I don't let detailers drive my car. They come over, detail, go home. If it needs to be moved, I do it.

    Sure they get annoyed, but I want to avoid this kind of stuff.

    Then again my cars are worth peanuts, compare to your garage. :)

    And to answer your initial question about why you didn't get mad. Maybe because you are a cool headed liberal democrat, that likes to solve problems by words, whereas I am a right wing Falwell Republican, who would have shot the detailer :) See in life it all comes down to politics and women, my friend. :)

    -Ryan
     
  12. FarmerDave

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    SWEET JESUS MARY AND JOSEPH!


    See, boys and girls, insurance companies are not entirely evil.
     
  13. LAfun2

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    Hmmm they do 1 good thing, and screw most people most of the time...lets see ...

    btw I hate farmers, and you know why ;)
     
  14. FarmerDave

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    yeah, I do. :( But that could have been any company.

    That, of course, doesn't make it right, either.
     
  15. JaguarXJ6

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    I just came across this thread after Ryan posted a link.

    THIS BITES!!

    At least it will be set straight with only a minor ding, no pun intended, to the wallet and the paint will last another 25 years.

    If they're good enough for your daughter, they might be good enough to detail.

    Keep us up to date and I would photograph the process.

    Sunny
     
  16. dm_n_stuff

    dm_n_stuff Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Start to finish will be carefully documented. The insurance guy and I will make regular trips to the shop to insure that the job is being done as specified. He is, of course a little twitchy that I will take the cash, and then patch the car and sell it. I had to explain to him, again, that the keys to this car will be pulled from my cold dead hand by it's next owner.

    Great American Insurance Group from Cincinnati, Ohio (513-369-5000) is the insurance company. They have been more than great on this. At least so far.

    Ryan. My daughter's phone number is 911, wait, that's not right, it's, um.. geez I can't seem to come up with it right now.

    Detailer moved the car without my permission, he had the keys to unlock doors, move seats, not move the car. Had strict instructions to fetch my oldest son if a car needed moving. Obviously, didn't follow my instructions.

    Yes, the Land Rover is with Allstate, the insurer of the masses.

    Sunny. I wouldn't lett these guys date their own hand, much less my daughter. They are friends of my oldest son, who were trying to raise some money before they head off to college.

    Erik - Yup, Rick and the adjuster went a couple of rounds today. All seems well so far. Estimate was given to me by the adjuster over the phone.

    FD. Yup, not all insurers are ball busters, at least to this point.

    I just priced all of the window rubber and felt etc and came up at over $2k, do I guess the $20-25K number isn't so far off, is it.

    Stay tuned.

    Dave
     
  17. FarmerDave

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    You are going to document the process with digital pictures and give us at least a weekly play by play, right? :) ala Tom Yang?
     
  18. Jack-the-lad

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    Glad to hear that....GAIG insures my 330GTC and my 914/6.

    Sounds like you dealt with them in exactly the right way!

    Jack
     
  19. synchro

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    I'll bet the insurance company has a few strongly worded letters for the detailer...
     
  20. dm_n_stuff

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    Insurance guy is now backpeddling.

    Tossing new figures around, and trying his best to work it back to a number that is significantly lower than the original one.

    Stay tuned.

    Dave M.
     
  21. Ken

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    I don't blame him. $25k is too much for that damage IMHO. I know you want the car back like it was, but a total repaint will amount to a significant upgrade in the car which should not be paid entirely by the insurance company. If a more local repair is made which doesn't "age" perfectly in 5 years, I would say neither will the rest of the car! Paint continues to deteriorate with time and nothing can change that. I think it's unfair to expect them to pick up a major restoration cost.

    Surely a repair can be made that will look perfect for now, and will not stand out from all the other defects in the paint of a 30+ year old driver as the car continues to age. If this was a show car and not driven regularly, I would have a different opinion however.


    Ken
     
  22. dm_n_stuff

    dm_n_stuff Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Ken,

    Unfortunately, it's not "a 30+ year old daily driver". It's a show quality car (not show winner) that gets regular use. Doesn't mean it's all stone chipped to hell. The paint on the car is in excellent shape, I would not have repainted it on my own for some time.

    But, any blending will show. Impossible to avoid that. He's not trying to propose a patch, he's simply suggesting that $20-25K is excessive for what he is proposing, that a simple re-spray should be sufficient, at a significantly lower dolalr cost to the insurance company.

    The car and it's paint are damaged, it is the responsibility of the insurance company to return it to the condition it was in prior to the damage. That would mean paint that will still match, on the entire car, now and in the future, not a hack job for a couple of thousand.

    But I certainly appreciate your input.

    Dave
     
  23. LAfun2

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    Good to hear we weren't singing the praises of the bastid insurance people too soon. THey are all scum!
     
  24. Ken

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    Okay, if the paint is really excellent then you have a great point. I still don't see why it can't be blended but I'm no expert and will take that at face value that it wouldn't look good. On my car it looked fantastic but that's plastic, not metal.

    The bottom line really is you should get as much as you can; if they fork over $25k you'd be silly not to take it! And it's your right to say that's what it will take to make it right with you. If they stick to a price of say $10k, do you have any recourse?

    Ken
     
  25. dm_n_stuff

    dm_n_stuff Four Time F1 World Champ
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    I'm sure I could threaten to sue, but, that gets ugly in a hurry, and would surely make it difficult to get new insurance.

    So, I guess the answer is negotiate fairly, which I have from the start, use my agent for leverage if I have to, and make a lot of noise if they back off. I had already indicated to them that I was willing to pay some of the cost, as I would have had to eventually paint the car. They will, no doubt, attempt to depreciate the value of the paint job to reflect the nature of the existing paint, and then I will argue diminished value. We'll tap dance on it and come to some agreement.

    Dave
     

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