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  1. RAD1972

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    I have a 2010 California with just under 10K miles. How often should I replace spark plugs? Should I replace Fuel Injectors or Catalytic Converters? I would appreciate any other feedback for Annual Service.
     
  2. Doctor Mark

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    Check the owners manual for service recommendations. Catalytic converters, spark plugs and fuel injectors absolutely NOT. Annual servicing normally consists of oil, filter, brake fluid and cabin filter.
     
  3. thorn

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    And the service should be done annually, as the name suggests.
     
  4. tazandjan

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    In later Ferraris, the maintenance schedule is not in the owners manual, but in the warranty book. Here is the maintenance schedule if you did not get one with your California.
     

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  5. 2NA

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    Add coolant to that list.
     
  6. Doctor Mark

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    No need to do coolant each year. Every 2-3 years is more than enough. Power steering fluid every now and again also helpful. Follow factory recommendations.
     
  7. 2NA

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    No, I disagree. Coolant gets changed annually for all my clients. 360s also get the gearbox drained and refilled annually. It's relatively inexpensive and draining it out is the only way to tell if there's cross-contamination. If you want to save money, you can skip the cabin filter. Unless you live in a dust storm, it doesn't need changing. For the record, the factory recommendations are occasionally wrong.
     
  8. LorenzoOO

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    I had Evans Waterless coolant put in to my system. The shop that put it in says it’s permanent. You think?
     
  9. yelcab

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    There is no such thing as permanent …. anything, except for death.
     
  10. Doctor Mark

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    Will defer to the professional. The tech servicing my Ferraris who has been one of the 5 top rated techs in the Ferrari world tech competition for several years in a row recommends the service for coolant listed above. This does not means not to inspect it or look for evidence of cross contamination. Clearly no harm in yearly change.
     
  11. LorenzoOO

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    How about taxes?
     
  12. yelcab

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    Some people skip the coolant change every year because it is such a pain to flush and bleed. Get the airlift system, you are done in 10 minutes. On 355 and 360 where there is a heat exchanger for the gear box oil and coolant, the annual fluid change is the time to see if one fluid crosses to the other and then you replace the heat exchanger. I understand the urge to skip some things especially when the car is driven very sparingly, but if you own a Ferrari then the expenses come with the territory. You did know that, right?

    BMW and Lexus used to classify their transmission fluid as life time fluid. You should see the stuff that comes out of the gearbox after 30k miles. Both companies do not call their fluids lifetime fluids anymore. I change my wife's Lexus gearbox fluid every 10,000 miles (engine oil changed 5k miles) and that car now has 190K miles with same gear box. Lifetime fluid, hah.
     
  13. RedNeck

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    Talk to Ford. They claim their transmissions don't need service till 150k. My old 2015 fusion needed a new tranny at 108k. Got rid of it shortly after.
     
  14. 24000rpm

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    i found that the 360's coolant doesn't need to be bled, unless you want to drive in on the same day of the change.
    add coolant, start engine, 100C, stop engine, let it cool, open cap, add more coolant, start engine, 100C, stop engine, let it cool, open cap, add more coolant

    usually 3-4 times of the above cycle u'll get a perfectly bled car. for me it takes maybe 2 days since im doing it in my own place, so i dont have time issues
     
  15. Doctor Mark

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    Agree with the potential heat exchanger issue with the 360 but the initial question posed was for a California.
     
  16. Rifledriver

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    Ask him how long the anticavitation additives last in the brand he uses. With the exception of 2 brands they are dead in about 18 months.

    Only 2 brands in the USA that are good for 3-5 years on any high compression wet liner engine.
     
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  17. Dave rocks

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    Which 2?
     
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    Time regardless of running time / mileage or time assuming normal driving?
     
  19. smg2

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    Time, it's a chemical reaction that starts the moment the coolant is introduced into the system and the first heat cycle is underway.

    Coolant is cheap, I flush all my vehicles annually. Not all coolants are the same, need to check based on mfg specs and is most always color coded to make it easy. The oddest one so far is the "pink" one for McLaren.
     
  20. smg2

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    So far the lab tests I've done in Evans coolant in long term use has shown no problems 5yrs and running. That stuff is expensive! But has its advantages.
     
  21. Doctor Mark

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    Still using the European Glycoshell OEM type coolant and distilled water in the CS as I had bought some a while back. That being said, I respect your opinion and will change more frequently than my current every 2-3 yr interval.
    FWIW, some VWs also use a pink coolant.
     
  22. Rifledriver

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    Coolants have a variety of additives depending on use. Most have a calendar based life span. Reading the product information prepared for fleet operators is far more informative that what you see in the auto parts store. As far as lubrication, freezing and corrosion protection most will tell you 300,000 miles is fine, as long as you do that 300,000 miles in a year. Many additive packages are perishable in the 1-2 year old period. For fleet operators most offer renewal additives to add. In recent years with higher outputs in wet liner engines cavitation has been a real issue in diesels and we have seen it for a long time in Ferrari motors, we just didn't know what we were looking at. Anti cavitation additives have been stripped out of many for environmental reasons and in most engines it doesn't matter but in a Ferrari it does. One of the few OTC products that still had it was Valvoline G05 BUT it was only viable for a year or two. In recent years an all new additive was developed that is claimed to last 3-5 years is in Caterpillar ELC and Shell Rotella Ultra ELC. I never see the Shell OTC. I have to order it 10 or more cases at a time from one of the commercial suppliers. No other conventional coolant I have found offers the same protection and certainly not for more than rather short change periods.
     
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  23. RAD1972

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    This is my first post and I really appreciate the feedback. I would love to know what other Ferrari owners of modern day Ferrari's do for annual service. I have a 2010 California with just under 10K miles. How often should I replace spark plugs? Should I replace Fuel Injectors or Catalytic Converters? I would appreciate any other feedback for Annual Service.
     
  24. RAD1972

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    Thanks for this info...do you have a California or modern day Ferrari....what do you do for annual service?
     
  25. RAD1972

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    Why do you say this...Ferrari says I should?
     

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