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Another 348 Slave Cyl Question

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  1. stevew

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    #1 stevew, Sep 2, 2006
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    Changed the seals in the slave cyl/release brg carrier on my 11k mile,94 GTS about 5 months ago because of a leak, not used the car for about 8 weeks, came to it last night and found that it was leaking again.

    Stripped it out tonight, everything looks in order, no sign of the seals being nipped or anything, no marks on the flange.

    Questions are :-

    1. Is it normal to have to keep changing these seals, because they are that poor.It's not that big a deal, would be nice to have found some signs to why it has leaked again
    2. Anybody else had similar problems.
    3. Is it worth changing the flange to the later one and the uprated slave cyl that Hill's produce.

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  2. ernie

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    Is it oil or break fluid?

    You may need to change the o-rings located behind the cover in the back of the bell housing. It's the one in your last picture. There are three of them, one big one and two little ones.

    Also did you change the triples seals? If not then do those.

    One more thing. Are you sure the leak is coming from the clutch? You may want to have a looksy at the seal, at the front of the box, for the gear selector shaft. That one can get old and leak. There is also an o-ring on the inside of the front tranny cover, but the only way to change the is to pull the tranny. The front seal you can do with the tranny in place though.
     
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    Deffo brake fluid
     
  4. ernie

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    Change the o-rings on that back cover.
     
  5. stevew

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    Thought about them, but the fluid was on the underside of the slave cyl as though it had leaked from the rear seal.

    Does that flange just unbolt with the 4 nuts and come off or is there something else behind that will fall off/out??
     
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    Just those four nuts, but you will also need to change the seal too. You can see it around the output shaft. That may be what is leaking?

    Maybe you should buy an upgraded slave cylinder from Ricambi, if you are having a hard time getting the old one to seal. Just keep the old one handy as a spare.

    But try changing the rear seal first, and o-rings while your at it. They are at least 12 years old. I changed mine when I rebuilt the tranny. It's pretty straight forward. Didn't need to fool with the slave cylinder because it was a new unit.

    The only thing about changing the o-rings behind the rear cover is that you are gonna have to rebleed the clutch, and that is a HUGE pain in the ass. But I guess you already know that.
     
  7. stevew

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    Thanks for the info Ernie, does the rear seal actually seal in brake/clutch fluid??

    When the flange is remove, does anything else move/fallout that I should know about??

    Clutch bleed straight away last time I did it, now I've said that, this time it wil be a PITA :D
     
  8. fatbillybob

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    interesting...did 4re use the series 1 t/o bearing with your new 1994 car???? I could be wrong but your T/O bearning looks like the one series 1 unit. Later with the USA 93/94 cars for sure the unit had a shiny brushed aluminium looking T/O bearing. You may not be able to use the HILL /Ricambi unit because ferrari also changed the flange. The later 348's upgrade and production of the T/O bearing had an integral flange I think with the blue internal seals. There are pic of it here on FC. Where did you source the black seals for your old style T/O bearing? I need some.
    Did you put the seals on the shaft the first time with brake fluid for lubrication? Did you run the T/O bearing up and down the shaft a few times before you put it into action? Also check seals dor directionality. I bet if you put some new seals in there it will not leak. Also check for pits crap on the shaft. Behind the flange nothing pops out just 2 seals for the clutch fluid passages and then a seal like a cam seal that does absolutely nothing. If you are sure it is brake fluid the triple seals are fine.
     
  9. stevew

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    Thanks for the reply, deffo brake/clutch fluid.Got the seals from Ferrari UK, infact got 2 sets so I have a spare to use now.
    I think the slave I've got is the unit just before the change to the one with the blue seals.I realise that I will have to change the flange to use the Hill's uprated unit just want make sure that it will sort out the problem once and for all.
    I did move the slave up and down the shaft and did lubricate the seals with fluid beforehand.

    When you say directionally regarding the seals,the front one can go in either way.Which is the correct way for the rear,I fitted with the open end of the seal to the inside of the slave, the way the old ones came off.
     

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