Another Fchatter not held in high regard

To tell you the truth, Greg, I'm having a great deal of difficulty understanding your viewpoint.

If I felt that "many false statements" were being made about ME - here or in any other forum - you can bet that I'd respond d@mn fast with the "other side of the story."

The facts, as I understand them, are:

1. You sold a part with which the seller was not satisfied. Judging by the photographs, it's not roadworthy - or even safe.

2. When the seller expressed dissatisfaction - even offering to pay what must have been pretty hefty shipping costs - your response was, "Sell it on eBay."

(Greg, I have bought lots of parts on eBay; I even bought my Ferrari through eBay. I hate to think that parts in this condition are being sold there or anywhere.)

So, yes, I do think there's abundant evidence for a judgment (not "judgement") to be made here, based entirely on the two facts presented above.

If there are other facts that we do not know about (and I can't for the life of me imagine what they might be), I don't see why you wouldn't present them.

One fact of life that we all need to learn sooner or later, Greg, is that we ARE judged by our actions. It's called our reputation.

If I believed that my own reputation had been unfairly assailed, I would not hesitate to present my side. Why don't you?

 

Fun thread... I'll have to stop by this forum more often!

MBFerrari: You learned a valuable lesson: always get pictures before buying something

308GTS: you should really be ashamed of yourself for selling that worn out, POS rim to anyone - let alone for $400. Give me an break. Just based on the photo, you can see that the integrity of the mounting area is more than likely compromised. That rim should have ended up in a landfill probably a couple of years ago. No way should anyone be pawning that thing off on unsuspecting people on Ferrarichat. At best, it's over priced. At worst, it's a potential safety hazard. Shame on you.

And then to suggest it's worth $800 - yeah right - but refuse to take it back (when the buyer even offers to pay for shipping)... wow. That's pretty low class in my book.

With daytraders.com, the website I founded back in the mid 90's, our policy was not to even dispute any credit card charge backs from customers (only in a very few cases were it was clearly fraud did we respond to the merchant bank). My policy at the company was to just throw the paper work into the shredder and allow the customer to do their charge back on us without any hassles. I figured if they were so unhappy with our service that they went to the extent of doing a cc charge back, then we'd just let them have their money back.

I remember another time, after I had shut the business down. One of our customers wrote and pointed out that he had paid for a couple of years in advanced. He had sent a check for a couple thousand dollars in order to get a discount by pre-paying (and because he didn't have a credit card). After I shut down the business, he wrote asking about getting a refund. I could tell he was concerned he might be out the money, now that the business was shut down, etc. I told him I would send him the money. I wrote a personal check out of my own account and dropped it into the mail (I think it was about $1100 or so). He wrote later and thanked me for making good on his refund as I recall.

I've sold tons of stuff on both ebay and craigslist. On ebay, out of over 500 transactions, I have 100% feedback. Basically, my policy is that if someone isn't happy with something, fine; they can send it back and I'll refund all their money. I want people to be happy with doing business with me, or I'll give them their money back.

The bottom line is that no amount of money is worth my reputation and integrity when it comes to doing business with other people in the world. You should adopt that same attitude and refund that guy's money and take your rim back.

Just my 2 cents on the subject.

Ray

 

Greg has now told us as much of his side of the story as he wants to?

There seem to be some gaps.

Maybe he'll fill them in, maybe he won't. If he doesn't, then I'd have to say he's coming out on the short side of the credibility test here, but that's just one man's opinion.

I'd like to see him fill in those gaps, maybe he will. I think it's important for all of us to show a willingness to listen to what Greg might have to say in his defense, and then to come to a final decision about culpability.

I think we're capable of that, right guys??

Aren't we?? <crickets chirping>

Well, ok, based on how the story has unfolded, maybe not. minds have been made up, and Greg's response did little to dissuade any of us of the notions we already had about what transpired.

he's still got a chance though. C'mon Greg, go ahead and tell your side of the story, I think it's important.

DM

 

Agreed. Daniel (and Ricambi America) is a class act, no doubt. Top drawer from start to finish! That guy always makes me proud to be a member of Ferrarichat.com!

Ray

 

I think I'm only interested in hearing the rest of the story once the $400 has been refunded.

Ray

 

There certainly do.

Not just one man's.

Actually, yes. If "false statements" have been made, I'd certainly like to know what they were.

So do I.

 

I believe he has been given every opportunity online and offline to present his side and state his facts-He has had many chances to make this right - He chose not to. Reading this thread every 5 minutes and making no attempt to PM or call Matt or state his case here other than the one post tells me he knows he is in the wrong and has no desire to make things right. A shame to be labeled as a dishonest seller and user for $400, but he brought that upon himself..... With that being the case he gets what he deserves, banishment from the Fchat community as far as I am concerned....

 

A very interest perspective. Remind me never to do business with you. Essentially you are saying that anything goes when selling something. Words don't mean anything. Things like "good condition" don't mean a servicable item. I strongly disagree. Apparently in your world there is no honor, no honesty, no Integrity, I'm sorry, but I don't deal with people like that, and I suspect that most of us here, those that have been around for a while, feel the same way. I've bought stuff from people here, met people here, and for the most part, they were all good people, people who have helped each other, provided information, and other valuable insights that were something that made this site what it is. There maybe 74k people registered, but there is a core of about 2- 3k of people who are here regularly, who actually own Ferraris, and who participate in this forum. This transaction was something that brings little respect to the seller, I suspect.

BTW: There is an implied warranty of fitness for the purpose intended in every sale, so the law in most jurisdictions doesn't allow that sort of behavior. If those pictures are accurate and the seller represented that the wheel was in good condition, then my humble opinion is that he didn't tell the truth, and should be avoided like the plague in future business dealings.

Art

 

I just listed a part for another car on another forum. Actually I didn't even list it, I just asked a question and a long time member told me he wanted it. We struck a deal and I shipped it out to him. I didn't even tell him how to pay me until after it was in his hands and he was satisfied that it was what I had represented. Had he not been happy with what I sent, all he would have had to do was send it back to me and both of us were only out shipping costs. He was happy with it and he did promptly send payment.

Would I do business this way with someone on ebay or through craigslist? Hell no, but there was no reason not to do it that way with him. There is no reason why I wouldn't deal the same way with a long time poster here on Fchat either!!

Hell, I even had a similar transaction with what turned out to be one of the most famous flakes in fchat history but our transaction was still better than this one! It was only later that he self destructed and famously flamed out!!

 

MB Ferrari, way off topic but I tried to reply to your pm and got a message that you have chosen not to receive pm's. Let me know how to reply if you need information.

Jim

 

Matt, I'm sorry to hear that you were screwed by another F-Chatter. But am happy to hear that you and Daniel were able to get it resolved. And as far as I'm concerned, ban 308GTS!! We don't need guys like that on here!

PS: If your going to spend 400 bucks for an anchor I recomend this one.
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I agree that he has had the opportunity and I meant my post to encourage him to bring his part of the story to light. At this point I personally am still willing to listen to his side of the story (and I hope that most of us would be even now).

The window of opportunity is closing quickly for Greg and probably has for many of the members here. If he intends in any way to hold any sort of positive reputation he needs to either tell the story or make amends with Matt.


PDG

 

Customer service was lacking here.

I think the secondary act of not responding to Matt's simple requests became the actual "crime," far outweighing the original infraction of sending a corroded wheel sight-unseen (which is relevant).

Simple and timely communication would have resolved this whole thing, and more than likely could have been handled off-the-record.

It would have been no big deal whatsoever to simply honor the request of the buyer for a full reimbursement, upon return of the wheel. It wasn't worth damaging one's reputation over a $400 spare wheel.

 

Buy my parts!! (of course they are all Daniel's)

 

Seems like your digging yourself a hole. As should be perfectly obvious, you have three choices now:
1. Convince us your actions are justifiable (Believe me, if they are the guys here will see that is the case).
2. Admit you screwed up and figure out how to rectify it (That will be made a little bit difficult because of the other deals in the works now, but I'm sure there's a way it can be done).
3. Leave FChat.

Not to be too judgmental, but "judgement" (although British English), is an acceptable spelling in the USA too.

 

You could use it for your air hose..........

 

Like this?



Mike
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that's effing cool!

Ray

 

Great.

One more friggin' wheel to keep clean. And it's one of those stinkin' BMW wheels from hell, to boot.

I have a couple old 360 wheels. Sell ya one of those instead.

Dave

 

Keep Clean? I think with that set up, you could always just blow it off...

And, I think brake dust would be less than a problem.. marginally.



Mike

 

So sad to read about things like this.

Good to hear you and Daniel sorted this out Matt.

Daniel, my hat comes off to you again my friend!

 

Art
For starters neither you or I heard the converasation that transpired between Greg and Matt so now you are basing part of you opinion on assumptions. I am not saying anything goes, but based on the picture, I am not certain that the wheel is not usable-again I don't know because I don't own the car it goes on. It seems as though the corrosion is localised to a small area and to me looks cosmetic. I also do not know the going rate for the wheel in excellent condition-is it 800.00? I dont know. My point is someone was willing to buy it again for 400.00(for whatever reason it has been resold) so the wheel can't be totally worthless. Why Greg won't come out and make his argument against what has been said, I don't understand. Two other points to mention, while I don't own a 308, I do own a F-car and while I am offereing an alternate point of view, I assure you that anyone who has ever done business with me has been more than pleased with my ability to describe things, however I wouldn't sell something to someone(let alone buy something) without showing them a few pictures.

 

One small point, the part is apparently not in proper condition for its expected usage---as a spare wheel--which is what it was being purchased to do. The fact that somebody wishes to buy it to use as a table is really of no moment. I am confident both parties would agree that it was not a forseeable usage considered in the transaction by either party.

It would be akin to selling somebody broken timing belts, while claiming they are serviceable. We can't turn around and argue that the buyer has no right to complain because somebody else might find them valuable in an arts and crafts project .

I am really saddened by this whole thread. 308GTS has been around this board for a long time and offered valuable insight on many a topic. He was a well regarded member of our community. Even respecting his right to conduct his affairs in private, in this instance the dirty laundry was all over the town square. Based on the seriousness of the charges levied against him and the now realized damage to his reputation that has resulted, I was expecting a more comprehensive response to the allegations. Of course he doesn't owe any of us one--except the OP-- but he can't expect continued good will with this dark cloud over his head. Many of us have been left wishing there was more to the story, but at this point, three days into this thread with no new developments, we must assume there isn't...and that sucks for all of us.

 

I'll reference implied consent.. You shouldn't have to even stipulate the wheel is in serviceable condition as you are selling a wheel and the person buying the wheel says he needs it as a spare for his car then you sell him the wheel thus implying it is serviceable for use.

Just like when I need nurse to draw blood. I tell the person I need blood, they stick out there arm and the nurse draws the blood. The pt knows what I want and offers themselves in a way that implies we can draw the blood....

The buyer stuck out his arm and got a rectal exam instead.....

Tony....................