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Discussion in 'Technical Q&A' started by jal, Sep 6, 2009.

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  1. parkerfe

    parkerfe F1 World Champ

    Sep 4, 2001
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    Franklin E. Parker
    It is sad that most of the ones that have the money to afford an Enzo do not have the the cajones to use it as intended.
     
  2. Mitch Alsup

    Mitch Alsup F1 Veteran

    Nov 4, 2003
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    Let us take a ZDDP molecule (which is close to 10% P and 10% Z). It comes in the oil as a full ZDDP molecule. And after it sacrifices itself to save the underlying metal some of these molecules get broken. Yet, there are the same number of zinc atoms and the same number of Phosporous atoms in the oil as before--just not as much ZDDP the antiwear agent. So, counting the number of zinc and phosporous atoms in the oil is NOT a good way to see if the ZDDP has been 'consumed' or not. The atoms have no where to go.
     
  3. gcmerak

    gcmerak Formula 3

    Mar 17, 2008
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    +1

    Ciao,
    George
     
  4. gcmerak

    gcmerak Formula 3

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    That's right, I knew that all along. I was just testing to see if anyone else would pick up on it. LOL Actually, I should have thought that one through a tad better.

    I guess there is no way of knowing how much of the zinc/phosphate molecule is left in tact.
    I am curious at what rpm point would a group IV oil shear and when the ZDDP would kick in so to speak?

    Ciao,
    George
     
  5. gcmerak

    gcmerak Formula 3

    Mar 17, 2008
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    Frank I've seen you drive, pedal to the metal, or something like that. So, how about a mountain drive in November?

    Ciao,
    George
     
  6. AEHaas

    AEHaas Formula 3

    May 9, 2003
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    "It is sad that most of the ones that have the money to afford an Enzo do not have the the cajones to use it as intended."

    I do not know how other Enzo owners use their cars but I am on my second set of tires. More interesting is that on my Maybach 75s with only 13,000 miles I am on my third set of tires.

    There is no place for sustained high speed driving around here so burning rubber will have to do.

    aehaas

    PS I love to drive at redline in first gear around town, at times, I feel it is good for the Enzo and Murcielago engines actually.
     
  7. AceMaster

    AceMaster Three Time F1 World Champ

    Feb 6, 2009
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    Mike
    That must sound amazing!
     
  8. Mernt

    Mernt Rookie

    Oct 16, 2009
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    Hard to say, Redline's POE (ester) base stock supposedly offers the highest film strength among all oils. Additives are possibly even more critical.
     
  9. parkerfe

    parkerfe F1 World Champ

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    Your are likely the exception...I have seen several Enzos and other top of the line exotics with only a few hundred or thousand miles which is not even enough for a driver to learn the dynamics of the car, much less come close to reaching its capabilities. Even F1 drivers complain they do not get enough test miles to learn their race cars even though they are top shelf drivers... how can an average owner learn how to drive an Enzo by driving it 500 miles a year?
     
  10. AEHaas

    AEHaas Formula 3

    May 9, 2003
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    "Seriously, max oil temp in an Enzo only 180 degrees? In Florida? Wow, really runnin it hard I guess. I got the oil in my 308 up to 200F on a 48 degree day in Minnesota. But then I never drove it like Grampa drives his Buick either. No wonder you see no wear."

    There are a few more possibilities:
    The car is very efficient in cooling and they all run cooler (than other cars) when not on the race track going 200 MPH.
    The oil I use is thin and has much less internal resistance and therefore less BHP is wasted, less heat is generated.
    The oil I use results in less contact and less wear, less friction and may be the best for any engine out there in may ways (for passenger car service).

    ...to name a few.

    aehaas
     
  11. hardtop

    hardtop F1 World Champ

    Jan 31, 2002
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    Short answer: can't be done. I would add that you can't really learn any car driving it 500 miles a year.

    Dave
     
  12. Artvonne

    Artvonne F1 Veteran

    Oct 29, 2004
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    Paul
    I seriously think someone should write letter's to Lycoming and Continental aircraft engine manufactures. They are doing the exact opposite of what you recommend and must be stopped. :)
     

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