Another Rossi Thread - Challenges Alonso

Before this even takes place Alonso will have to practice a lot on the MotoGP bike. I'd say a good year of riding and that may get him within 10 secs of Rossi time.

It's amazing how people who've never been on a bike think it'll be so easy. It's a completely different feeling. NO matter how crazy you are in a car as soon as you get on that bike, you'll be riding like an old granny. Trust me!

 

Perhaps Alonso is thinking about training wheels.....but that would still make the bike a 4 wheel vehicle instead of a true 2, wouldn't it? Hmmm............

 

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+100000

 

tifosi12, Say, I've got to pay off four years of my daughter's University of Chicago education. Want to make a bet as to whether Rossi, "take some humbling lessons from Alonso." to quote your post? Just as Rossi said, "Well, I think we should drive a Formula One car, a World Rally car and a MotoGP bike, add the times together and then we will see who is the fastest." If Alonso has the quicker time I pay you $10,000 per extra second Rossi takes. If Rossi has the faster time, you pay me $10,000 per extra second Alonso takes. Understand that I'm not a gambling man: Realize that with this proposition, I'm still not gambling. That's four wheeled vehicles twice and a two wheeled vehicle once. If it takes five years for the match to take place (with Alonso practicing on a bike every day he can), I still want to make the bet. Ok? Hey! I'll even go for it if they allow Alonso to have training wheels or outriggers on his bike. I think I'll make so much money that I'll be able to pay for my niece to go to U of C.

 

Rossi will spank Alonso so bad he won't know what hit him.
Broaden your horizons by watching a Moto GP Race.

Rossi is that good.

 

I am really not as thrilled by bike racing as I am by 4 wheeler racing (nearly any sort, except NASCRAP, I'd watch rabid greyhounds doing the 400 m baton relay before I watch that redneck rubbish). Having said that, I am constantly awed by the courage and skill motorcyle racers have to go all out on an open 2 wheeler at those speeds.

I wouldn't have the cojones to take a bike to the limit, this I know for a fact. I've personally (and up-close) seen bikers taking their rides to well over 200 km/hr on a track and even spectating is terrifying. I am perfectly comfortable taking a car to the limit, there's something psychologically assuring about having a wall on every side, even if it's in a Go Kart. I can't explain it.

Rossi will whip Alonso. I'd pay good money to see it, and still respect both of them immensely whichever way it all turns out.

 

I won't accept your bet because I'm pretty sure you'd win:

I agree with everybody who said Rossi will beat Alonso on the bike by a mile. No question.

I also have no question that Alonso will beat Rossi in the F1. Probably by a couple of seconds around a track.

I would guess Alonso will beat Rossi in the rally car, but that's just a guess. Either way they won't beat each other by much.

Obviously you already figured out why this whole comparison (interesting as an idea) is one sided: The time differences in the cars will never stack up to the time Alonso will loose on the bike. Why is that? Well from what I read here it takes some serious talent to ride the bike. I accept that. We also all know from e.g. the Clienti Corsi program that driving a modern F1 car is not all that hard and most mildly talented people get within a few seconds of the track record after some practice. And that's pretty much where Rossi is today in a F1. The real trick with F1 is to get the 10/10 out of it; that's where the boys are separated from the men.

So the challenge would be more open if they wouldn't accumulate the times but simply go by points: It would be 1-0 for Rossi on the bike; 1-0 for Alonso in the F1 and the rally car would bring the decision where I heard Rossi is doing well and I'd bet Alonso has some good car control as well (although after I saw MS loose against Kovalainen I'm not holding my breath for Alonso).

 

I am sure that Rossi would win if this event were to take place. Bernie certainly seems interested!!!:
http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_news_item.php?fes_art_id=27404

 

That's just ridiculous. No way that would happen if VR was driving a Ferrari. In a Super Aguri maybe. If he was more than 1sec behind I'd(and I'm sure many others) would be very surprised.

 

We know he was about 1 second behind MS' time around Fiorano, which is a very short track. That's why it would be a couple seconds around a regular track. That's also why I see no future for Rossi in F1. Also he didn't set the timesheets on fire in winter testing, but there we don't know what the parameters were. Fiorano is more of a level playing field.

 

Well there's a simple enough way to settle the issue: Race Of Champions.

I don't recall seeing Alonso there (but we haven't gotten the '05/'06 replay here yet).

The move to Paris didn't do it a bit of good, IMO. Not only is it in competition with the start of the Dakar, but a plywood covered football (soccer for US people) field is a lousy race track for 360s. And there's the suspicious use of the "rail touch" disqualifications: When Massa whooped Schumi in '04/'05 and another driver beat WRC champ Loeb in the same early session, both Brazilians were DQ'd. If the champs were eliminated early, the crowd might lose interest.

Getting a large crowd in the Canaries may have been difficult, but if you get them to a Paris stadium by Metro, you have the problem of keeping the crowd.

But when Gordon beat rally drivers in a rally car in the Canaries, suddenly people started to think of US drivers as more than just beer guzzling rednecks.

 

FA is full of crap. now this is really why i hate him. he always opens his mouth for no reason. if they really go head to head, i hope rossi trash the **** outta him. FA doesn;t seem to have any respect for rossi

 

What he said.

 

Can you blame him?


Seriously I agree that FA shouldn't have made those statements. I wonder whether it has anything to with his Spanish background: Before Alonso Spain was only crazy about motorcycle races. Now Rossi being Italian and a smashing hit, I bet there is some national jealously and jousting going on.

Also Rossi has been "overexposed" with all the testing he did. More talented guys (and also Italian) like Fisichella don't get even a chance of a test in the Ferrari and this guy is allowed to drone around Fiorano lap after lap, day after day. I read one article in which they actually said, that the Scuderia is now finally making progress in racing again because Rossi is no longer distracting them and they're no longer wasting their time with him (not my words, but the newspapers).

 

For a driver, with comparitively little seat time in F1 cars, 1 second doesn't seem too large a margin to me, against MS. We're talking one of the masters vs a veritable babe in arms. Yes, he does have kart and some rally experience, but those do have precious little to do with serious personal preparation for F1 power, handling and response. He hasn't come up through the ranks of open wheel racing, he's coming from bikes and karts.

IMHO, he displays a great deal of natural ability and focus and given a little time he may prove to be a contender in F1, if he chooses to commit his time and energies in that direction.

 

Alonso took part in 2002
http://www.raceofchampions.com/all_images/press_images/FINAL30/NationsGp.jpg

 

tifosi12, Well, you can't blame me for trying!

 

I'm a fool, but I'm not that stupid. I believe...

 

Looks like this won't happen: http://www.homeofsport.com/f1/news/item.aspx?id=14974

Sounds like a lame excuse to me. He could have said yes I'll do it, but not till after the season.

 

I want the chick holding the Finnish flag in that pic.

 

In fact, he said -in Spanish- "Now I realize that Valentino has much more spare time than me"

I think that trying to beat Valentino with a bike would be so dangerous for Alonso. He's not in the same position, since Valentino has already won everything in his field and Alonso has just began in F1 (with some achievements )

Alonso is not a funny guy like Rossi. He doesn't like to appear on the media but for his victories and some commercials. Valentino is a real showman.

 

The big question is? What kind of bike? If it is a GP machine, it will be a nonissue.

Alonso will suffer critical injuries trying to push on of those evil things.

Ask Max Biaggi (my fav rider) what happens when you publicly cross Rossi. He's too clever and collected for that stuff......God I hate rossi.

 

I don't understand how you can hate him. People like you *****ed and moaned at him when he was slaughtering the field on the vastly superior Hondas. Then he goes okay **** all of you and switches to Yamaha, who were slow...basically the antithesis of Honda. And he takes the Championship with Yamaha, what part of that equation justifies hate?

Biaggi is a dickhead too, just as much as Rossi. They're all dickheads, that's why I love them all.

 

What color is your LT4 Corvette? I love the LT4's...

 

LOL! No man, I didn't mean it literally....More like, I LOVE to hate him More because everyone else loves him. I'm a root for the underdog kind of guy.

What he did was unprecedented. Biaggi *****ed about Yamaha, said it couldn't beat the Honda. Switched to Honda, was competitive, then Rossi switched to Yamaha and proved it could win.....



Of course, let's not get into the fact that Rossi recieved much more support from Yamaha and Honda than did Max. Plus, Rossi took Jeremey Burgess with him to Yammie.

Oh, and the YZR-M1 that Max raced was 900 CC, while Rossi's is a 990 CC. Not to mention all of the developmental differences in the two.

Polo Green. Fun car, regretted trading it in on the newer car.