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Another "simple" physics question.

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The Ferris wheel is

  1. Accelerating

  2. Decelerating

  3. Not moving

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  1. 2000YELLOW360

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    A fairground Ferris wheel has a person riding on it. To a person on the ground, directly underneath the wheel, the person comes around and down to him exactly once every 60 seconds. There is no jerky motion.

    Is the Ferris wheel, accelerating, decelerating, not moving? :)
     
  2. jungathart

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    the wheel is moving with respect to the person on the ground.
    assuming the wheel is propelled at a constant velocity, there would be no acceleration nor deceleration.
     
  3. 2000YELLOW360

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    Velocity is a vector. Vectors have direction. If it is going at constant velocity, which direction is the velocity in? :)
     
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    it is accelerating
     
  5. jungathart

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    I'm waiting on the anwer on this one.

    "Dammit Spock, I'm a flashy starship captain, not a Vulcan geek!"
     
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    i gave the answer. it is accelerating
     
  7. jungathart

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    please explain, lest this becomes another 80 page airplane thread!
     
  8. spang308

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    None of the above. The ferris wheel is in a steady state of motion. If the time dropped to 58 seconds it would be accelerating. If the time climbed to 62 seconds it would be decelerating. At a constant 60 second cycle with no jerky movement it is in an unaccelerated steady state.

    John
     
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    how about i kill it now. Acceleration is a change in velocity and/or a change in direction. There is never a time where the ferris wheel is travelling in the same direction since it is a circle.

    the end
     
  10. 2000YELLOW360

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    Yup, if it is going in a circle it is changing direction at all times. There is acceleration in a new direction at each moment. It takes constant acceleration to go at a steady speed in a circle, ie. to change direction constantly.

    It takes zero acceleration to go at a steady speed in a straight line, ignoring drag, friction, etc.

    Angular acceleration is velocity squared divided by the radius.
    (v X v) / r
     
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    I WIN!!!! what's my prize?
     
  12. stephens

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    Umm, the ferris wheel is not moving at all relative to the observer. The chair is moving in a circle and is in a constant state of acceleration, but isn't the wheel itself stationary?
    I don't think the question was asked correctly for the given answer.
     
  13. jungathart

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    Danke schoen. :)
     
  14. shiznut123

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    That's not right. You are describing CENTRIPETAL ACCELERATION not angular acceleration. Centripetal acceleration usually applies to point masses moving in circular paths, such as a person on the edge of the wheel. Angular acceleration is the CHANGE IN ANGULAR VELOCITY. Since there is no change, there is no ANGULAR ACCELERATION of the ferris wheel. The only mass accelerating in this problem is the person on the ferris wheel, he/she is undergoing centripetal acceleration. You really need to work on the wording of your problems.
     
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    oh crap, now this is gonna turn into a 3298432 page thread again
     
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    bitte
     
  17. jungathart

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    Yup. No wonder I flunked physics. Let's just go have a couple of beers!
     
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    deal!
     
  19. dakharris

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    The ferris wheel is not moving, unless you count the movement of continental plates. It is anchored to the ground and will be in the same place every time you go back to ride on it.
     
  20. 2000YELLOW360

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    Hah! I knew you did not understand circular motion. It is moving. It is rotating in place. The question was not a trick question.

    As for the wording, it is fine. If a point on the circumference of a solid circle is moving, it means the whole circle is moving. No problems there. Some of you need to learn to read.
     
  21. TcpSec

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    To all wannbe Einsteins......:)

    The correct answer is C (Not moving). The ferris wheel is "rotating" and not "moving."

    The person on the Ferris wheel is continually accelerating, but that was not the question. :)
     
  22. ashsimmonds

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    the wheel is not accelerating or decelerating, which is what the question is asking.

    a velocity reference can only be made in relation to a specific point on the wheel (ie the dude in the chair), however when talking of the wheel itself we are talking about RPMs, or a theoretical velocity the wheel would attain if at those RPMs with it's given circumference it were rolling on the ground.
     
  23. 2000YELLOW360

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    When you calcurate angular velocity, it is in relation to what? Is it ever specified?

    When you calculate angular acceleration, it is in relation to what? Is it ever specified?

    I believe the question is worded correctly. Sure, it could be better, but it is worded well enough for a reasonable person to arrive at a reasonable interpretation identical to the situation in the mind of the person asking the question. In other words, people understood what I meant. Look at the poll results. Disagree?
     
  24. ashsimmonds

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    that's why for simplicity's sake i'm only dealing with RPMs when we talk of something spinning on an axis and not going anywhere, or it's potential velocity if in the case of a wheel it came into contact with a surface of 100% frictional efficiency. in this case accelerating/decelerating means RPMs increasing/decreasing, of which neither is true at a constant 1 RPM.
     
  25. Spasso

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    Spang 308 has it right.

    If the cycle is a CONSTANT 60 second rotation in relation to a STATIONARY POINT (person) on the ground then there is no acceleration or deacceleration, simply continuous motion..

    Acceleration is an INCREASE of velocity or cycle.
    DEacceleration is a DECREASE of velocity or cycle.

    No math required, just a simple Timex.

    I read just fine. The poll does not offer all of the plausible choices.
     

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