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take those figures with a truck load of salt . i don't disagree that the SE is faster , and it should be since it was out before the 430 . it's a game at the moment , the g was faster than a 360 , the 430 is faster than the g , the SE is faster than the 430 , the 430 CS is faster ?????? time will tell ed: the SE doesn't look quicker to 100 on the page than a 430 . so your thread holds only some weight
All we can go by is what we got, didn't one of the mags come up with a 0-60 time of 3.6 sec. with the F430? I didn't take that with a grain a salt, the result is the result. If I owned one and somebody asked me what 0-60 was, I'd tell them 3.6 seconds, because its proven to be possible. The Gallardo is faster at Nurburgring, Hockenheim and now this Italian circuit, that has to mean something. I think it should be commended. We have to give Lambo/Audi engineering some credit here. The car was born and raised on the Nurburging and it shows. I should know, I own an SE
I agree, 0-60 doesn't mean much, but its engrained in every kids mind reading car magazines growing up. I personally think the track time holds more weight. Were these tests done in the same exact conditions, probably not, same driver, likely. My point is if a dope comes up to you and says whats 0-60 in your car, your always going to quote the fastest time, I'm not going to say well some tests said this, but the weather and tires weren't that great so its more on the high side, around 4.7 seconds. I think the F430 is a brilliant car and I have yet to read a review critizing it. Everyone loves it and rightly so, but with all that technology it has, the fat pig Gallardo, with all its weight can still hold its ground.
0-60 means very little on the track, for cars with this much power, 0-60 is more to do with traction and how well the power is put down, rather than outright grunt. as on a track, it's not too surprising to find the Gallardo SE faster, 430 might have better brakes, but Gallardo has four wheel drive and this will give it better accelerations out of the corner and more stability through turns. however, the downside is that you cannot powerslide a Gallardo like you can with a 430, but as a quick lap requires smooth and progressive driving with little slides, a Gallardo with 4wd and good traction should in theory post a quicker lap time. Which is more fun to drive though is quite arguable...
The good news is that the G GT3 will soon be running against the Ferraris and we'll get to see what's fast and what is not. Hopefully it will do better than the M RGT. I do like that glass roof but think it would look better if they continued the line in glass instead of painted structure. As we'll see this summer it can be done but it's tricky.
Wrong, Correct. The standard G (before the SE, 04-05 model) is faster around both Nurburgring and Hockenheim than the F430. In addition, the 06 standard G is mechanically identical to the SE, so now the gap is even wider. Based on this test shown, the gap is much wider than most would have guessed.
Yeah, as long as the following criteria are met: - you are driving a "ringer" F430 handpicked by Ferrari engineers (not a regular "production" ordered/delivered car) - the car is equipped with launch control (Euro models only) - you are travelling downhill at Ferrari's own test track facility
If track times are not from the same day with the same driver they are worthless. When I was racing SCCA Formula Ford I went out for an early season test session at Sears Point and was easily under the track record. Patted myself on the back for a while until I talked to the guys in the next pit who explained the track had been resurfaced in the off season and was 2-sec per lap quicker. Track and air temp, and many other things can make a difference also. Gary
Yup.... we already know that. Similar results (both Gallardo and SE) from different tracks on different days speak for themselves.
Funny that the Gallardo has posted better times on virtually EVERY track, not just the SE but the regular 04 than the 430, 360 and 360CS.
AWD is an "unfair advantage" when it comes to racing. Just ask TransAM and IMSA of the Audi Quatros in the late 80s. That's the key to it posting better times than the other cars.
so why is my 430 quicker than my mates g ? as said by gary , tests done at different times by different drivers on different rubber means little
In a straightline 430 is quicker than an early Gallardo, but I thought we were talking about the track. funny how Ferrari conversations relating to Lambo always involve track talk, that straightline speed is not important, but when track talk also gives the edge, by a BIG margin to Lambo, you revert to straightline speed.
look dude , quicker at my track according to me , my theory holds as much relevence as the right ups in the mags .... very little. ask anyone who is a track user and they will try and educate you on the many different scenarios that take place . just don't take what is written as gospel , if that's your only point of reference , then you are ill informed . the enzo is quicker than a CGT around the top gear track , does this mean it will be quicker than a CGT round nurburg ????? possibly yes or possibly no . i don't know or care . some guys on here will think it is , it must be because it was on a television programme....get the point ?
Could be that you are a better driver than your friend. Schumaker might be able to whoop my butt in a Toyota Prius, but that doesn't mean that a Prius is faster than my car. For an objective test of which car is faster, it should be same driver, same familiarity (practice time) with each car, same track, same day.
