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  1. PaulK

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    Hopefully this isn't hard to do but I want to make sure I'm doing it correctly. I have an early '95 GTB and I want to inspect the rollover valve as I think it's the cause of excessive tank pressure. I looked in the manual and I believe I've identified it. What I'm not clear on is if I remove the whole thing (pictured below) or does just the top come off? Your help it appreciated. Got a big thing coming up for the car and I got to get it ready.
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    The ROV is not serviceable, you remove and replace. There are several threads on doing that and some xref parts as well.
     
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    I've seen that actually. The thing is though that it does not look to be the same unit. Mine looks like it's on top of (or combined with) the Vapor Seperators. Come to think of it, this car could have two of these rollover valves?

    I know it's not serviceable. I am hoping to spray some carb cleaner in there and let it sit for a while to eat away all the varnish. Assuming it's gummed up.
     
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    #5 Qavion, Apr 28, 2019
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    I also tried to detach the rollover valve from the vapour separator recently, but the forces required were more than I was willing to exert (knowing that the parts were no longer available). The manual wasn't making much sense and I was just curious about the construction of the vapour separator.

    Ricambi America list the vapour separator and the rollover valve as separately available items.

    https://www.ricambiamerica.com/car-diagrams/ferrari/v6-v8/355-group/f355-m2-7-1995/antievaporation-device.html

    I assume you are talking about item 21.

    21 is the rollover shutoff valve (mounted on the "vapour separators").
    22 is a two way breather valve (the red thing).

    Since the rollover valve is a plug-in part of the vapour separator, I cannot see it as being an aftermarket item.

    Here is the F348 valve as a comparison:

    https://www.ricambiamerica.com/car-diagrams/ferrari/v6-v8/348-group/348-1989-1992/antievaporation-device-valid-for-catalytic-vehicles-and-sa.html

    Two different beasts

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    #7 Qavion, Apr 28, 2019
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    Here are some photos of the vapour separator without rollover valve:

    https://www.ebay.com/p/Ferrari-F355-Fuel-Disaerator-157977-ANTIEVAPORATION-Device-Dis-aerator-355/1029913359

    (EDIT: Sorry, I copied and pasted the link, but it's not working in FChat)

    Here's the photo instead:

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    Friction fit (after you take off the clamp)?

    An oddly cheaper item including the rollover valve:

    https://www.pacificmotors.com/auto-parts-shop/ferrari/ferrari-f355/fuel-system-vapor-seperator-disareator-157977-oem-ferrari-f355-spider-1995/

    (EDIT: Seems the early 2.7's had a different vapour separator with the part number 157858, later 2.7's with the part number 15797)
     
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    Interesting. Thank you!!! You just pulled it apart from the vapor separator?
     
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    Sorry just realized you didn't get it apart. Did anyone?
     
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    Actually that's not a bad idea... Definitely worth a try!
     
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    It looks like the rubber seal is damaged in that photo. Maybe a screwdriver was used to separate them. Unfortunately, we don't know if the plastic rollover valve survived the separation. For what it is worth, the seal is still available (P/N 155313)

    The rollover valve is also found on lots of other Ferraris (also NLA) P/N 124193
     
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    Qavion, you have been a great resource and extremely helpful, thank you. It looks like I'm going to have to take both units out and try to sperate them. Perhaps a long soak of WD-40 will do the trick? I suspect the rubber seal is very old and it's stuck to that internal rollover valve.
     
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    I had to drill a little bit to get the pin into the rollover valve and it took some pressure/force to get It in, which seems good because it's more secure but I'm worried I might of pushed the pin a little too far in, I'm not sure if it's just vapors that goes through there or if gas comes out.
    Can you tell me the size of the T-Connector I would need if I go that route?
     
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    I'm just using the resources that are available, Paul ;) All it takes is practice. Ricambi and other parts suppliers provide us with the parts diagrams and part numbers. With the part numbers, we can search for pictures on eBay, etc, using a simple Google search phrase "Ferrari part XXXXX".
    At the risk of breaking the rollover valve, I think the use of carburettor cleaner (in situ) sounds like the better option to free the ball or whatever is in the valve. I'm not sure what effect WD40 will have on the rubber.

    Sorry, Bryan you've lost me on this one. Pin?
     
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    I think if you remove the ROV and shake it back and forth, you should hear it rattle. If you remove the vapor line (on top) and blow some compressed air into the fuel tank you should have air coming from that port. Just be sure to use a regulator set really low to avoid subjecting the tank to high pressure. That will at least confirm that it is allowing vapor to pass. The red and white valve that releases vapor to the charcoal canister may hang up and stick. That could cause excessive tank pressure. I think if you read some of the posts on here you will find that most 355's have this issue. I know I was concerned about this right after I got my car, because of the amount of pressure I had release from the gas cap when the car was hot was in my opinion too much. I replaced the vent valve with a new one to see if the condition got better, but have not checked on it since. I doubt it changed anything. Hope this helps.
     
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    Hi Bryangreene3, I am not sure what pin and T-connector you are referring to. Could you please point it out in the diagram?
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    I am worried about breaking the valve as well. The last thing I need is to break an unobtainable part just at the start of driving season. I have considered just doing it in the car with it all attached but I think it will take days of squirting car cleaner in there to dissolve the 25 years worth of varnish- but I haven't even got it off yet. Interesting your thoughts on WD40. I was thinking of using silicone spray but I don't know how that will take to all components, especially rubber.

    Thanks for the help. That describes the issue I am having, and I have not experienced the symptoms this season so far but I just got it out of storage and have not driven the car except to the warehouse. It was a cool day and a nearly full tank, so not a lot of fumes to build up. Where did you find a new valve?
     
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    Google "Nissan 240SX Maxima Sentra Stanza Fuel Tank Check valve" for another option
     
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    If the Ferrari rollover valve has a barb on the end of the tube like that one, I'm not surprised we can't get the darned thing out.

    That Nissan Maxima rollover valve has the pipes pointing in the wrong direction. The valve's entry and exit points need to be at right angles.
     
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    I purchased one at Scuderia parts. PN 170442 tank ventilation valve
     
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    Thanks for the link, once I break this valve I now know where to find it's replacement! :)
     
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    #22 johnk..., Apr 30, 2019
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    PN 170442 tank ventilation valve not the roil over valve, but agreed it could be the problem, and more likely is since the roll over valve is normally open, unless you live in AU. :)

    Vent valves are cheap and available at local auto parts stores. Just take the old one with you and they will match it. Realize that most of these parts are standard, off the shelf parts from regular suppliers. They are not unique to Ferrari or custom made for Ferrari. No need to spend extra for a Ferrari PN + shipping when you can get it locally.

    Here is another source for a roll over valve that might fit. $5.28 -plus shipping. For that money I would buy it just to see if it fit.

    https://www.usplastic.com/catalog/item.aspx?sku=14535&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIjavr7pP44QIVR0SGCh19IAOFEAQYDyABEgKN4_D_BwE

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    John, could you clarify your comment on the rollover valve in AU? The Ferrari parts manual only lists one part number for all F355's and the fitment orientation is the same.
    There are a few variations in this system in general, however. The 170442 valve is not fitted to later model USA, Canada and AUS cars, but rather 174594.
     
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    A little joke Ian.;) Everything is upside down in AU, so it follows, your car is rolled over. :D
     
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    Sorry, John... missed that one.. too early in the morning here )))
     

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