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    #3 P4Replica, Sep 21, 2007
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    Or at least it was, when previously advertised by ExoticCarOnline.com ....
    Photograph below, from their (now defunct) webpage was taken in the Brig showroom of Touring Garage Imboden AG:
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    #5 P4Replica, Sep 21, 2007
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    .... and listed, yesterday, on eBay:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150163416136

    For a rather optimistic opening bid price of CHF 320,000 (Swiss Francs) = $269,900 !!!

    Make: Ferrari Condition: Used
    Model: -- Number of Previous Owners: 1
    Type: Proto Tipo P4 Engine Size (cc): 3,000 cc
    Number of Doors: 2 Power (KW): 255 KW
    Mileage/km: 6500 Warranty Information (Months Remaining): --
    Date of 1st Registration: Jul 23, 1979 Independent Vehicle Inspection: --
    Color: Red Inspection Certificate Expiration Date: Sep 2007
    Metallic Paint: -- Fuel: Petrol
    Transmission: Manual Is Import: --
    Options: -- Safety Features: --
    Right-hand drive/Left-hand drive: Left-hand drive

    Ferrari prototype 1979

    'Made under special order for famous swiss pilot Alberto EGGS. Car Donor 308GTS ’79.
    Low mileage. Ready for road use. Top condition. US$ 255’000.

    (email) 0796859666@bluewin.ch

    Franco SBARRO, the famous car manufacturer, is known for his Design school Espera in France. Using his experience as a mechanic in the Scuderia Filipinetti (1957-1968), Franco delivered BMW 328 – Ford GT40 - Bugatti - Testarossa replicas and few Ferrari TIPO P4.

    This rare Ferrari by Sbarro has a full FERRARI 308 GTS mechanic. Homologated for road use this amazing car is a TIPO P4 1965-68 replica. V8 255 HP carburettors engine. 5-speed Ferrari gearbox.

    Low mileage. Very good condition. Delivered 1984 to a Swiss collector with a GT40 replica, this car has been stored for more than 20 years in a stable temp.& humid. Garage box. This car shows the famous SWISS finish as a perfect assembly. This Ferrari suits all SBARRO quality and safety requirements. Delivered with SWISS papers and full history. Free delivery in Europe if quick decision.

    This exceptional auction on e-bay gives me the benefit to sell to an END USER and gives you the opportunity to own a unique piece of the automobile industry.'
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    Das Angebot ist beendet.

    Beendet: 04.10.07 09:50:26 MESZ

    Übersicht: 0 Gebot(e)

    eBay auction ended this morning - without a single bid placed - hardly a surprise.
     
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    Not sure that tail works for me.

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    No, agreed. But it probably 'works' well - in terms of improved rearward visibility, Jim. ;)

    I remember reading somewhere, that Franco Sbarro stated that the car was never really meant to be an accurate replica of a P4 - more of a 'pastiche'.

    I still have my original well-thumbed copy of Custom Car magazine from July 1986, containing a feature article on the Sbarro P4 - which set me on the road to eventual ownership of a P4 replica.

    I suspect that this same article was also probably what sowed the seed in Lee Noble's imagination, and led to his (albeit limited) 'volume production' of P4 replicas.

    Fortunately, Lee decided to base his kit-cars on a modified Ultima steel spaceframe chassis. Had Franco Sbarro's own plans for 'volume production' of his P4 ever materialized (beyond this one-off 308GTS-based car), the Ferrari community might now also be bemoaning the 'butchering' of 308's and 328's to produce P4 replicas. :D
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    The doors are very similar to the one's PF used on the Enzo!
     
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    #12 P4Replica, Oct 5, 2007
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    In RED LIPSTICK too, Bruno !! :D

    An iconic image, by French the photographer 'Dingo' ..... of an iconic P4 replica.
    I just wish that I had it in a larger original size. This is a scan of a postcard (CP).
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    not too much produced or being reported with S/N:

    beside 28563 I have 25123 only
     
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    Just for the record Paul, that vehicle registration form proves onwership only until 20th Dec 1994 after which it was no longer valid.
     
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    i love the car, and see it more as a "homage" than a "kit car". i bet it would be fun as hell on the street, as a 308GTB is a fun tossable car, and that may be a bit lighter. shame its so expensive, i would love one of those or a GT40 to replace my Pantera :) .
     
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    #16 P4Replica, Oct 5, 2007
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    Thank you for that, Matthias. So you are saying there definately is a second Sparro P4 ?

    I was never quite sure, and have been given conflicting information over the years.

    One thing that I could never get a satifactory answer to, was the fact that the car which featured in the 1986 magazine articles, and also the Sbarro brochure, and this one had different width / offset rear wheels.
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    Thanks, Simon - Yes, someone else had also pointed that out to me, previously: (Annulé = Cancelled). I do know a little French. ;)
     
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    Ditto, Michael. Most 'kit car' P4 replicas are 'homages', too. ;)
     
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    Most of Dingo's photography was a 'little' different. He was in-house photographer for 'Option Auto', and later for 'Rétroviseur'. There was an interesting two-page article, by Mick Walsh, on Dingo's work, in the April 2006 issue of Classic & SportsCar magazine. I emailed Mick, and he admitted - that even during his research for that article, he hadn't managed to discover who was behind the pseudonym.
     
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    Repeat after me .... I must study the photos more closely. :D

    It seems there are other subtle differences between these two cars .... under the hood for example.

    'Brochure / magazine articles' Sparro P4 upper ....
    .... ex-s/n 28563 lower. Note the air cleaner(s).
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    An old web page on the Sbarro P4, which includes images from various Dingo magazine photoshoots and the Sbarro brochure:

    http://clcalvet.club.fr/sbarro/modelemois/P4-mai2001/P4gb.html

    © text by Philippe Calvet, 2001

    PS - I loved this little comment (not): 'There are some (other) P4 replicas. Noble Motorsport, in UK, showed one in 1988. It was a well-made copy but, according to purists, engines were not noble (V6-PRV or V8-Rover).' :D
     
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    #23 P4Replica, Oct 7, 2007
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    I don't know how old this online advert is, but the same car that was listed on eBay, recently, with an opening bid price of ChF 320,000 ($270K) is also advertised here:

    http://www.sport-prestige.com/occasions_ferrari/f_308/1364/308GTS_Carross%E9e_SBARRO.html

    .... for a rather more sensible €85,000 Euros ($120K).

    Looks like the same photos from the previous www.race-cars.com and 'Swiss Team Salamin' adverts were used.

    'Ferrari TIPO P4 Sbarro 1979. Franco SBARRO, the famous car manufacturer is known for his DESIGN espera school. Using his experience as a mecanic in the Scuderia Filipinetti, BMW 328-GT40-Bugatti some Testarossa replicas and few Ferrari TIPO P4 have been delivered all over the world since 1965. This rare Ferrari by Sbarro has a full FERRARI 308 GTS mecanic. Homologated for road use this amazing car is a TIPO P4 1965-68 replica. V8 255 HP carburator engine. 5 speed Ferrari gearbox. Low milage. Very good condition. Delivered to a Swiss collector with a GT40 replica, this car has been stored for more than 20 years in a stable temp.& humid. garage box. Enjoy the famous SWISS finish and perfect assembly. This car suits all SBARRO quality and safety requirements. Delivered with SWISS papers an full history. Free delivery in Europe if quick decision.'

    Interestingly, the seller is shown as 'Mr Christophe XXXXXXXXXXX'. The car's recent ebay seller signed himself as 'Christophe'.
    Text from this advert is virtually identical to the eBay listing - save for a few 'typos'.
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    I love those doors! :)
     

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