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  1. SRT Mike

    SRT Mike Two Time F1 World Champ

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    ...and I'm not talking your Uncle Bob with his 'great' recipe for ribs. I'm talking pro chefs or at least non-pro's who have the skills of the pros?

    I have always been sort of fascinated by food preparation. Not making these extravagant pastries and such, but I'd really like a good knowledge of food (so that if I am reading a menu at a high class restaurant, I know what is in the dishes, how they are made, etc). But I'd also like to be able to make those kinds of dishes myself.

    How long do guys working as pro chefs go to school for? Is continuing education and/or learning-on-the-job a significant contributor to your knowledge?

    Reason I ask - I would really like to get some professional training. Is it possible to get such from night schools? If being a chef is the same work as a batchelors, then I realize it may take 8 years to do at nights, but I'd be OK with that. But I also wouldn't want to do all that only to end up having a skill set that will quickly expire because I am not a practicing chef, outside of cooking for family and friends.

    I'm a hack chef now - don't really know what I am doing but I have a few signature dishes that everyone enjoys, but I really want to kick it up to the pro level and be on par (in knowledge and ability to execute) with some of the actual chefs at a high-class eatery. Whats the best way to accomplish that for someone who has a day job and isnt looking to get into being a career chef but doesn't want to be just a knowledgeable-amateur either?
     
  2. Dubai Vol

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    I remember my first beer! :D

    Here's a list of the top 100 culinary schools in MA

    http://chef2chef.net/culinary-institute/state/massachusetts-culinary-schools.htm

    The kind of knowledge you're looking to acquire won't take 4 years, more like 4 months, and I'm sure there are evening programs offered. IMO the best way to become a good cook is to do it every day, even if it's just for yourself and your family. Once you've mastered the basics, it's all practice. The only thing that really requires specialised training is pastry chef IMO
     
  3. PAP 348

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    I cant cook to save myself. Neither can my g/f. We always eat out. :p
     
  4. djui5

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    Well crap, I just typed a long post about kitchen work, then re-read your post and realized you don't wanna get into working in kitchens.

    To achieve what your wanting to achieve, you might be best to take some chef classes. Working in a restaurant to learn these techniques will take years. I was a pro cook for 6 years, and only in the last couple of years did my skills really take off. You can learn recipes all day long, but it won't teach you thinks like knife techniques, plate presentation, etc. It's really a lot to learn.

    I don't think you'll be able to acquire the skill set of pro chefs in fine dining restaurants without years of hard work in kitchens, and intense research/practice. It's not something you can just pick up at night school.

    On that note, get a killer knife set, and take some night classes at a top shelf cooking school. It's a good way to learn your way around a kitchen professionally. Then, if you wish, see about taking up a part time job in some restaurants you like to pick up some more skills. Explain what your objective is and see if they'll work with you. They might, they might not. But working in a busy restaurant is the only way you're ever really going to learn a lot of the stuff you want to learn.

    Also keep up with some of the trade publications and food magazines. It's a good way to keep up on trends. Also try to eat out at a 4-5 star restaurant at least every 6 months. Once you get into it you'll start to learn the foods, just like with any career really.

    I think everyone who eats out should be required to work in a restaurant for at least 6 months. Maybe then would they respect the industry a little more.
     
  5. David_S

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    Mike, I'm no pro (though way too many people try to encourage me to move in that direction) - but I DO know what I'm doing.

    My wife and I rarely eat out due to the fact that between the 2 of us, we can prepare almost any dish/cuisine better than what we would find around Chicago. Note - I did say almost because there are ingredients that we can't easily obtain ourselves & some preperations that are just flat out a WHOLE lot of work.

    Here are a few observations that you might consider:

    Some of the best chefs aren't the greatest cooks.

    Some of the greatest cooks aren't the best chefs.

    Being a "chef" is being a manager more than anything - you either manage your support staff (sous chef, etc) or you manage your time.

    Being a "cook" (at least on an amateur basis) is being a craftsman or an artist - you might not have a broad range, or maybe you aren't perfectly consistent, but you really shine when you put your heart into it.

    Try reading Alton Brown's "I'm just here for the food" - If that suggestion offends you as being too basic, you probably shouldn't follow your chef idea any further unless you value pretentiousness. If you've read it and scoffed at it, I apologize humbly. If you've read it and thought it was great but wanted to go further, then drop me a PM & I'll try to give you some other insight :)

    Any way you slice it, expanding your cooking horizons is a great idea!

    P.S.: I made some KILLER "Thanksgiving taquitos" last night by simply putting turkey breast meat, stuffing, & mashed potatoes in a food processor, then rolling the paste into lightly fried corn tortillas & baking in a convection oven until crispy. Was trying to think up a nice cranberry honey mustard reduction as a dipping sauce, but got too hungry & settled for blue cheese dressing :)
     
  6. JamesSimpson

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    I was a sous chef for 3 years let me know what you want to cook and i'll tell you what sauces,wines, and proper cooking methods are.
     
  7. SRT Mike

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    Thanks for the replies folks.

    Just to clarify based on some of the replies, I'm not looking to just expand my knowledge of what the various dishes are and what they include, but rather I really enjoy cooking and I want to raise my skill level above the home cook who makes things like burgers and pasta and meatloaf and become the kind of cook that you see on the Food Network. Not necessarily able to go work at a famous restaurant (not looking to make it a career at all), but rather just be a good cook who can use sauces and non-traditional meats and food combinations and achieve professional results. When I say sauces, for example you may watch a show and the cook will start with various ingredients that you would never have thought of. They will prepare things in ways you would not have considered. They use garnishes expertly and are able to prepare food in a more artistic way. I.e. they consider the texture of what they are serving, as well as the color, what flavors go together and what sauces compliment those flavors. When I say non-traditional meats, I mean I've seen cooks doing innovative things like stuffing pork chops with interesting blends of veggies and spices or using meat/veggie combos you wouldn't have thought of.

    We may make filet mignon with a bottle of A1 sauce at the side... go to a nice restaurant and you will get braised lamb shank with roasted garlic, rosemary mashed potatoes, lamb jus, and gremolata.

    I'm planning on building a very nice kitchen into our next home and getting good hardware, so looking to obtain skill to match the utensils and appliances. Ideally, I'd like to be the guy that people always love to eat here because I'm a good cook.... where people ask "is your husband a professional cook?".

    Hope that makes sense. I'll pick up the books offered and hopefully it will be a good start. I think I would definitely like some professional instruction but it will have to be night school. I'm a businessman and no way could take time during the day :)

    David_s, I think you nailed my desired results... when you describe what you made in the last paragraph, I thought *YES*! I want to be able to make things like that, and know what I am doing, and have the creativity to even think of such a thing. It sounds delicious David! And I agree that expanding cooking horizons is a good idea. I am really hoping to either retire or take more of a back seat role in my business in the next 10 years which would leave me an awful long retirement. Some of my passions are travel, photography and cooking. I LOVE to go to various restaurants in exotic places and sample the local cuisine or even local interpretations of (to them) foreign cuisine. When I retire I'd love to focus on my lifes passions and I know some will take years to achieve proficiency or some level of mastery, so I figure its never too early to start :D
     
  8. Bryan

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    Web site of interest

    www.reluctantgourmet.com

    Books on experience of culinary school at Hyde Park.

    Michael Ruhlman
    "The Making of a Chef" (full season professional course)

    Martha Shulman
    Culinary Boot camp (5 days non-professional course)
     
  9. ralessi

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    Here is a place for you to start:

    http://forums.egullet.org/

    This is a forum filled with people exactly like you. Into "gourmet" food/preparation/presentation, aspiring amateur chefs that like to do it part-time at home, basically.

    I've read some advice on some other forums, and a good starting cookbook that is recommended is La Varenne Pratique by Anne Willan. It isn't just a cookbook with recipes, but is rather an instructional kind of book that you read and practice the techniques so that you know the sort of "why and how" rather than just what combinations of ingredients to throw together.

    You might want to start researching also on good cookware/knives. That will probably be one of the first steps you make in getting good/expensive knives/pots/pans.
     

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