Any thoughts on this BBi on BaT????

cnpapa24 · Jan 30, 2019

soshry said: ↑

As mentioned above I have seen cars sell from 200k to 500k+ (with the 500k+ sold last year), this is not an overall indication of the market going down but the marked being more selective. When a car that has not historically been collectible in the past now becomes collectible you will see a quick run up on all cars as people are trying to get in early (Testarossa, 308, BBi), without a snapshot of what is available as cars are slow to come to market you buy what you can get. Once the cars are out and people are looking to sell, now that they can command more money for their cars, the market can be navigated from good to bad, high price to low price.

Use real estate as a bench mark. you can see the same general house, same size, same architectural style, same street, but the house that has been remodeled will sell for more than the one that is not (the driver). IMHO condition, miles, coloration, variant will determine price.

As a reminder:

http://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2018/the-midas-touch-l18323/lot.63.html?clickdate=2019-01-30T14:59:45Z&ranMID=42390&ranEAID=je6NUbpObpQ&ranSiteID=je6NUbpObpQ-vyzpCtKZEgyh18XJ03JLWg
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Well said.

DonB · Feb 16, 2019

There's a very nice Carb. BB for sale in Naples, FL. I believe it's the Carobu car that had the engine massaged but the car is stock in all appearance and runs extremely well and very strong. It's owned by a long time Ferrari guy and a real gentleman.
I have no skin in this game but if anyone is interested please contact me and I'll give you the owners info, if it's not already on here.

Ludwig · Feb 16, 2019

Newman said: ↑

I said a great car and to me a great car is a very high standard. I rarely see a great car.

The problem is being able to stop. You say a cosmetic refresh for $10K, not if that includes paint. What about the DOT mods to the structure and doors? Bumpers have been hacked to fit the impact strips and plymouth volare side lights. $30K wont address DOT and paint let alone the hours and hours spent undoing other DOT mods. Going to reuse the door seals and keep the slow windows too after you put all the glass back in? What about the dead horse and grill, horns, red piping on the seats that is like a stick in the eye, dash needs recovering, bet the carpet is no better. Pull the heads and do the valves and lift the engine off the box because the last tech cut a corner and gooped silicone all over the gaskets and the water pump wasn't done right. Now do you decide to upgrade from a true 8.5:1 piston and run nice parts that wakes the car up? Probably. New exhaust manifolds because the current ones are acting as skid plates and then ceramic coat to look correct. Plate all hardware that came off - no small feat. Paint everything engine related which means take those intake manifolds apart and remove the throttle plates and shafts. Rebuild the fuel distributors and WUR's, should do the ignition distributor too and check it on a machine. replace all engine bay heat shields, paint tanks, wrong exhaust system that has capped off manifold outlets - thats not a good look because you see it from the rear looking at the car. The list goes on. That car has a lot of needs that will cost a ton to do right. A boxer is a very time-consuming car to bring to a high level and the injected car being the most costly due to complexity.
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Totally agree. It is amazing to see the degree of work needed to restore an even well serviced and cared for Boxer. It's a restoration gift that keeps on giving.
I am at the stage of reassembling all the subsystems after a meticulous restoration of each. One quickly understand the concept of "well I've gone this far...."
Parts are expensive and potentially unobtainable so a lot of rebuilding and restoration is needed. I spent a day disassembling and re-plating the rear deck closed indicator switch as an example. When finished there will be about 1000+ hrs into it. 125K is a really fair estimate for someone commissioning this to be done.
The most basic "refresh" would be in the 30k range if you limit it to belts, heads, exhaust, differential, injection, distributor, water pump, suspension, CV joints, brakes, etc. I doubt there is a Boxer that wouldn't need at least this.
Bottom line 250k would be a strong price for a well cared for but unrestored example.

turbo-joe · Feb 16, 2019

Ludwig said: ↑

....30k range if you limit it to belts, heads, exhaust, differential, injection, distributor, water pump, suspension, CV joints, brakes, etc
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I think more than 40k to do this all

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