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  1. 375+

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    Any photos would be greatly appreciated, thanks.
     
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    Don't forget the whole shebang is streamed on the Goodwood Road & Race channel on YouTube!
     
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  7. 375+

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    Thank you Graham!
     
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    Thanks for the photos. Interesting to see Jenson Button in his first historic race weekend, he is learning that Cobra pretty fast!
     
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    The best vintage motoring event in the world period, nothing else is close.
     
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    Sorry for Joe he had the pace to win it again but not his day this time...
     
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  13. wbaeumer

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    Yes, true!
    And this year it was more special as the Freddy March Memorial Trophy was won by David Hart in his Maserati 300S, chassis #3067. It was the 1st time that a Maserati won in Goodwood, beating the much tuned Jaguar D-Type on their home soil. I had the privilage to supervise the recent restoration of the car for David.
    OK, back to Ferrari now.....
     
  14. Marcel Massini

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    I see replicas and fakes, as always in Goodwood.

    Marcel Massini
     
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    ^ is that why the racing is so fierce?
     
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    #14 Nembo1777, Sep 22, 2021
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    No it is the other way round; racing in England is very aggressive in general, take no prisoners. I raced modern single seaters there 86-89, fully immersed in that world, living near Silverstone, and can confirm that.
    Also the TT at Goodwood has always been particularly contested. Add the track which has no room for error with walls just feet away and ever since the first revivals there have been more and more replicas. These are built to preserve the original ones which can thus stay in museums and collections but the replicas tend to be raced all out since they have no historic value per se.

    Another factor that drove away many of the proper original cars is that many of the others are souped up very extensively, bearing little resemblance to the tech specs of how they were raced in period. There is a whole cottage industry of special parts in the UK which rape the spirit of the law, of the rules. All that just so that some big egos can win a vintage race...One Frenchman who raced an E Type told me years ago he was offered parts by a British company but said they obviously were not made for standard E Types but for already heavily modified ones. The most infamous cheater car was the Red Bull special E Type of Adrian Newey the F1 team's designer which was actually a bespoke smaller lighter and hugely sharpened weapon compared to standard ones. Eventually he stopped bringing it probably because too many complained about it. The Maserati Tipo 151 of the Auriana collection came third and second a few years ago but the team decided to retire the car because with so many heavily modified cars the effort to prep the -legal and original 151- for another go was not worth it.
     
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    Preservation of the original is obviously something that has to be taken into consideration, while at the same time using the cars in a manner they were built to perform is highly desirable.

    maybe the answer is to follow the lead of Aston and Jaguar in the manufacturers building short runs of the iconic models to be used in vintage racing.
     
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    If they are building "new" cars, then in reality, all that has happened is they have created a new class of modern race cars that look old on the outside. I will admit this is a significant problem for the vintage race organizers. In most events, the great vintage cars are now gone from the grids, primarily due to their value and the age of the owners. However, vintage events are usually quite profitable for the tracks, so they will go along with this situation to keep the fans showing up.
     
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    Maybe the supplier parts...

    But there already were fake Borranis, Carello lights, etc...


    I don´t think, there are any original parts used from the "Donor Chassis Number".
     
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    For those of us unable to travel the world, unable to get a foot in many, many doors, we'll take it. The choice isn't 'replica or original', it's 'replica, or memories of the days when cars that looked like this ran around a track'.

    Much as I'd love for the whole field to be 'genuine', it's never going to happen whilst the cars are worth more than many small nations, and many of the owners view them in the same light as any other static 'investment' antique.

    Thank goodness for replicas.
     
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  23. Tobi

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    It must be addedd that the 'replicas' are not kit cars with some close-looking body on a standard chassis, they are 1:1 copies of their owner's cars. And while the Cobras and Jags are heavily race-modified, the Italians are very close to their original specs. By the way, it's not a great issue to crash a vintage race car and have it rebuilt again since that has already happened several times in its life. None of this has first paint.
     
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