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Anyone ever put a turbo on your Mondial?

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  1. La_Rossa

    La_Rossa Karting

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    Hey guys,

    I am curious, has anyone ever installed a turbo unit on their mondial or know of one that's been done?
    I'm really on the fence as to whether I want to modify the car or not...
    The mileage is high and I will keep the car, so modifications don't bother me very much.
    Thanks
     
  2. godabitibi

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    Mario I've seen 308 with turbo, some parts are even selling on Ebay sometimes. I wonder if a Paxton would be easier to fit.
     
  3. soucorp

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    Mario, just my .02, if it ain't broke, don't mess with it. She's maturing nicely as is. I like more power as much as the next guy but some things are best left the way they are intended to be. My rational mind says just maintain and enjoy her man! Save your turbos for your street hot rods, this is a FERRARI.

    Having said that, I am never one to stifle ideas, so don't let me stop you, if you find a good turbo or super charger kit, do let us know.
     
  4. bernardo66

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    Mario!!! BLASPHEMY!!!!
     
  5. La_Rossa

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    ...lol, Bernie, I know when I bring this up, I'm always poking at a sleeping dog!
    I always tend to ask alot of what ifs but in the end I probably won't do anything.
    the 3.2 is running as good as it did the first time out.
    It is a joy to drive, but I like to get other opinions to see if there is something to be tried.
    Mind you, if I decided to keep the car the some mods might not be all that bad...
    In the end it comes down to power to weight, I'm trying to get that ratio up a little bit...maybe!
     
  6. Wade

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    The problem with applying more power to the Mondial? Then you need better brakes and an uprated suspension. Next comes the race seats with harness and before long you'll want a full-blown track car for the inevitable racing school/track days. All for the price of a 360. :)
     
  7. Brian420

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    Someone in California had one supercharged. When I first got my car and joined Fchat, I went through one of the 'Show us your Mondial' or 'Aftermarket Wheels' threads, and there was a photo of a red coupe, later model (3.2 or later), sitting on a ridge overlooking the ocean (I suspect), with a caption with the pic of "just after returning from having it supercharged". I'm sure it's still there. Start checking around the middle of 2009 and you'll see it. Not sure if he still has it of if he can be reached. For what it's worth, I thought about having mine turbo charged, but every time I think about investigating it, some large repair comes along taking my money and pushing frivolous things further away. Some I've spoken to say it's an expensive proposition because lots of things have to be fabricated to accomodate the increased pressures. There's a guy in northern Michigan that has made a nice name for himself by adding turbos and double turbos to NSX's, and I spoke to him and he said he could do it reasonably priced, so I know it's possible. I spoke to another guy about it and he said if I wanted a faster car, go buy a 355.

    Regards,
    Brian
     
  8. La_Rossa

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    #8 La_Rossa, Aug 29, 2012
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    Wade,

    That's exactly what's in the back of my mind.
    If I start with the motor, then it will inevitibly leave to suspension and brakes.
    It's not so much the issue of money per se, but if I was to spend 15, 20, 25K on the upgrades, that is a significat portion of a 360 which is my next in line.
    I think keeping it as is and not sell it then add the 360...
    All good thoughts...


    Brian,
    Same comments as I wrote to Wade, I keep thinking about it and inquiring but in the end the money will better spent on increasing the stable!
    355 or 360...or maybe both!
     
  9. Wade

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    If you choose a Cab as a track car I think you will find that your opportunities may be limited. A roll bar is one thing but a full cage in an open-top car is another story.

    Keeping the Mondial for joy rides and adding a 360 for the thrills does sound much more exciting.

    However, there are some Cab owners who track their car in stock form.
     
  10. soucorp

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  13. docmirror

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    Technically, a 'turbocharger' is exhaust gas driven. The one offered by the 928 guy is a belt driven unit which uses a centrifugal blower just as a turbocharger does, except it is driven by the crankshaft and not exhaust gas.

    While the car can be charged with an aftermarket bolt-on approach, there are many parameters in the engine which are not well suited to pressurization. The cam profiles, fuel injection maps, and ignition maps are not conducive to bolt-on charging. To do it right, would be to change the CIS out for a TEC3 or similar setup with completely modifiable fuel and ignition maps. Changing the cam profile and timing to suit the turbo would be even better. Of course, this requires money, time, money, engineering, money, and also money.
     
  14. godabitibi

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    Mario after reading these post I would recommend not to modify. Like I always said '' if you don't want trouble keep it stock'' Modified machines are always troublesome. Go with the brakes and wheels but leave the motor stock.
     
  15. JZStephan

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    Burnt pistons and valves due to extra heat (pressurization makes a lot more heat in the cylinders) will be the most likely result. Would be fun for a little while though.
     
  16. Mowgli

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    Megasquirt and a home fabbed Previa supercharger. Most fun you can have for under a grand + price of car.
     
  17. Allen S.

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    The 3.2 turbo is really quick. Straight line speed is impressive. It'll just about hang with a t. I found this out in Monterey a couple years ago. 3.2 Turbo is not a bad idea.
     
  18. 350HPMondial

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    Tag, I am/was it.

    Sold my;

    1985 Mondial Cab. QV, NORWOOD Turbo set-up back in 2005.

    HalTech Computer, port injected.
    Turbonetics Turbo, Ceramic Ball Bearings, Oil Cooled.
    1.0 Bar Max, 350 Rear Wheel HP.
    2500 Degree Exhaust Thermocouple,, better back it down at 1800 deg.
    Change Synthetic oil every month of use.
    New Clutch Each 2 years.

    NOTE;
    The USA Spec. 1985 QV Motore' had ceramic topped pistons and relatively low compression. Thus, it is pretty turbo friendly from the factory.

    Edwardo
    1981 Euro Mondial 8, Gray Market car.
     
  19. Wade

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    I was hoping that you'd chime in... :)
     
  20. La_Rossa

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    Thanks for all the input guys!
    Lots to think about...
     
  21. 350HPMondial

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    Hey Wado,

    How is it going...?
    Yes, I miss that car, but it would not pass smog in California.
    That car Very Streetable. Th V8 had lots of low RPM Torque, the Turbo came on at about 3400 RPM,,,,,, then all Hell, and the TRXs, would break loose. ha

    Edwardo
     
  22. Wade

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    #22 Wade, Aug 31, 2012
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  23. La_Rossa

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    Hey Wade,

    Great shots and some beautiful work.
    Do you have any preference between Supercharging and Turbo?
     
  24. Wade

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    Unfortunately none of those are mine, just happened upon the pics/info during my research.

    While there are several pros and cons for each I prefer superchargers for aftermarket upgrades.
     

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