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Anyone have a delivered 812 with GPF?

Discussion in 'FF/GTC4Lusso/F12/812S' started by khal360, Oct 30, 2019.

  1. khal360

    khal360 Karting

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    Hi all. Concerned about exhaust sound with GPF installed. It is a concern on other threads but wanted to know firsthand if anyone has had a 812 with GPF delivered or has heard one. Thanks.
     
  2. KarlA69

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    Agree, would be great to hear. Also, all 812 GTS will have GPF fitted so would be great to hear from someone who sees (and hears!) one of those driving around. Obviously customer deliveries are months away but I have seen pics of them being driven (I think near Maranello)
     
  3. Foxmod

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    keen to know too, my tailor made 812 coupe due sometime next year!
     
  4. GCSF

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    The stricter EU pollution regulations apply for models like the 812 coupe only from 2021. So maybe 2020 MY coupes will have no GPF?


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  5. Foxmod

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    This is what I hope for!
     
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  6. tickerhound

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    My car was delivered in SEP (JUL 2019 build). It's a 2020 and definitely no GPF fitted.
     
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  7. KarlA69

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    FWIW I spoke to a major parts supplier today and he mentioned the Lambo SVJ has already been shipped with GPF and it was easy to remove.

    We won’t know for sure until people get their hands on the GPF spec’ed 812 to check, but I remain hopeful of an after market solution...
     
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  8. Ltfor3

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    Mine is coming on about 8 weeks and I’m not sure if it will or won’t have GPF. I know my GTS order will do very curious the difference or if much ado about nothing.


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  9. deltona

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    Exactly the same here. U.K. car built July 2019, MY20, no GPF.
     
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  10. montpellier

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    Having read about the comments here and with other manufacturers I look at it like this. It is likely all cars from Jan 1st 2020 (intro date of next level legislation)will be GPF fitted to meet the Euro 6 and various add on regulations (TEMP/IVAC/ISC - 5 year 100k emissions) that are effective from that date . Ferrari cannot be seen to not meet these requirements when competitors like Lambo do. They have greater margin due to the sub 10000 cars but can you imagine owners of Ferrari being banned from certain city centres and the Lambo drives past. Ferrari cannot be seen to not meet regulations if you think about it. Maybe they will make a different approach for the Americas but with the current sensitivity on these issues it is hard to think Ferrari would risk reputational damage and they are as we know a very responsible high quality manufacturer and would not risk that . It will be interesting to "hear" the impact of these changes, efforts have been made on the V12 to generate cabin noise from the induction system (already done with 488 ) we were told at the GTS launch , though externally noise will be less , quite a lot if the F8 videos are anything to go by. So we will have the real answer for new cars registered in January is my guess. I wonder if removal of such equipment will be deemed illegal ? So it will no longer be possible to replace OEM exhausts.
     
  11. daytona355

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    crikey, I wonder how big a percentage of Ferrari owners do change the stock exhausts these days, given there are so many varied options out there... presumably there must be allowance to do so or those manufacturers like capristo etc would be warning about shutting down?
     
  12. deltona

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    What is still unlear is when the GPF was/will be fitted to 812SF.

    If the requirement is for all cars registered after January 2020 then surely all cars in build now will have it but what about cars that were built in 2019 without GPF and not being registered until 2020? There must be some kind of overlap or is the GPF requirement for cars build date rather than first registration date?
     
  13. Napoli

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    FWIW, I just drove a newly arrived 2020 812 tester at Algar. No absolute way of knowing whether it had the GPF, but it sure didn't sound or feel the least bit inhibited.
     
  14. montpellier

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    From reading various documents and statements from other manufacturers, it is the Jan 1 st registration date that counts. Might explain the rush on Pista/Pista spider production . Ferrari may have a little grey area due to exemption as a small manufacturer but in principle it looks like all 2020 registered cars will be compliant. For 812 that actual change date is harder to determine, I guess it must have happened by now unless production is currently for USA only until GTS also hits the line so change is concurrent on coupe too. It will probably take a back to back with a GTS and 2019 coupe before we all can hear the impact, if any.
     
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  15. GCSF

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    Euro 6d TEMP is in place for new type registrations since 01 SEP 2017 and for all new registrations since 1 SEP 2019. The more stricter version of Euro 6 will be in place for new type approvals from 01 JAN 2020 and for all new registrations of approved type from 1 JAN 2021 ( https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/euro-6-alles-wissenswerte-zur-aktuellen-abgasnorm/ ). Thus, 812 GTS, F8 and SF 90 must have GPF from 01. JAN 2020, but 812 SF (coupe) can be registered without GPF till 31 DEC 2020, as the 812 SF was type approved before 01 JAN 2019. If the 812 SF would require a GPF based on the less stricter Euro 6d-TEMP, we would have seen them already for cars registered from 01 SEP 2019.

    Now the question is, will Ferrari continue the 812 SF (coupe) beyond 2021 with the 812 GTS and 812 VS being introduced in 2020? If the answer is no, I doubt we will see a GPF in the 812 SF as this would require quite some development and investment for only one year of production left and no legal requirement to do so.

    Summary: there appears to be no clear answer for this question yet - let us see what happens the next couple of months.
     
  16. montpellier

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    Thanks for this, so coupe can be produced all through 2020 without GPF, so that would explain why no one has seen a car fitted as such. Good question on VS, though they would use GTS revised unit as the base where GPF is fitted one would think. Though where the extra bhp will come from is a different matter (GPF clearly took a step of ICE development to maintain output) . Maybe a Lambo solution with mild battery assistance ?
     
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  17. Solid State

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    Maybe we have.

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  18. abdulla.alhajri

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    Does this mean 2021 we will see an increased GTS production along side 812 VS
     
  19. KarlA69

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    I'm as bored as everyone else of the GPF topic... BUT this gave me cause for concern. After listening to some seriously depressing sounding 2020 model year cars on Youtube with GPF fitted (e.g. Porsche GT4 and Audi R8) I started to look around for after market solutions to those, as a window into what we could expect for Ferraris. However, the below one from Capristo STILL sounds crap even with the GPF removed. And this is on an Audi R8, a naturally aspirated V10 which used to be celebrated as one of the best sounding engines out there. How can that be; even with no GPF the new model sounds bad...??!! Any ideas welcome!

    https://capristoexhaust.com/product/r8-4spa-valved-exhaust-system-remote/
     
  20. Solid State

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    Sounds like a trombone or maybe a tuba! Agree its a huge let down.

     

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