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Anyone here have any info on the Beech Premier 1?

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  1. dmark1

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    Really? Is it a fuselage tank? That would really address the Premiers only real shortcoming IMO. (Well, it ain't the prettiest Aircraft the world either I'll grant you). I cant imagine any larger engine sizing as it already climbs to 410 in 21 minutes...
     
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  3. Tcar

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    It's a beauty compared to the HondaJet, though. All relative.
     
  4. Jason Crandall

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    Beechjet or Premier? I haven't heard of an upgrade for the Premier.
     
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    Good point. I don't think there is such an upgrade, but the Beechjet possibly....
     
  6. donv

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    Everybody likes their own airplane. Factory support for Commander is excellent.

    The fact that the FAA had to put out an SFAR for the MU-2 should tell you a lot...

    Again, go fly both and see which one you like.

     
  7. Tcar

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    Doesn't the (Mitsubishi) Beechjet already have about a 2,000 mi range in stock form?
     
  8. dmark1

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    It might, I really don't know. It started life as the Mitsubishi Diamond but they may have made several modifications to its range when it was produced by Beech.
     
  9. Jason Crandall

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    Nextant aerospace has a cool upgrade for the Beechjet but…… It's still a 2 pilot airplane so it's not gonna work for this situation.
     
  10. dmark1

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    Actually Jason I am looking at a 2003 model with mid time paid up engines (TAP Elite) and Pro Line 21 avionics (Familiar with that system - pretty close to the Honeywell FMS loading that I did when I flew for American). At 1.3 million the aircraft has only 1500 hrs on it. Looks like a pretty unbeatable deal for the capability that you get.
     
  11. Jason Crandall

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    No doubt at that price it's a TON of plane for the money. If you don't have to haul much go for it.
     
  12. dmark1

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    Thats just it Jason, 95% of my trips are with my wife and 2 children, or with my mom (who is my business partner) and her friend. Total weight of pax and bags is
    never over 600 lbs.

    I AM concerned though about support, Beech parts are notoriously expensive, but Beech JET parts that are on a line that isn't supported anymore? GULP:/
     
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    Mark, aren't you are answering your own question as to why the market has settled to such a low number for so much plane?
     
  14. dmark1

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    Yes but I am looking for supporting opinions LOL

    At least the engines and avionics are fully supported....
     
  15. Jason Crandall

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    Boom…. They're cheap for a reason. I'm not brave enough to do it. If your hops are so short then just keep your MU2.

    For that mission, I'd get a Cirrus.
     
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    What about a C-130? Overkill?

    :)

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    700 NM in a Cirrus??!!
     
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    No but a DC8 can be bought cheap ;)
     
  19. Jason Crandall

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    Easy. I used to do it all the time. they hold 120 gallons of gas. They use 16.5 per hour in cruise. 700 NM is not a long haul
     
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    I know they will do it, so will a 75k 1953 Bonanza. I just don't WANT to do that anymore. Had plenty of experience doing that **** in the 70's :)
     
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    I used to own a Cirrus and the SR22 I flew held 84 gal, 81 usable and at 16.5 gal/hr would cruise around 175 kt TAS depending on pressure altitude. Now it was an older plane but I still think fuel is 92 gal for even the later aircraft. It can go 700 nm but that is a long time in a piston single, way over 4 hours.
     
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    I think the Nextant looks like a heck of a deal at that price. I would think that Nextant would support it (who knows, maybe at some point they'll end up with the type certificate). The good news about support is that there are enough Beechjets out there that there is money to be made in providing support, so someone will do it at a price.

    And, as you point out, the engines and avionics are fully supported, and most of the rotable stuff is going to be pretty commonly used.

    Your biggest support issue would be if you pranged it somehow and needed an engineered fix. Is there anyone who could do that? Could Nextant?

     
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    I agree 4.5 hours in 4 seat unpressurized singles is not great compared to what you have, but it isn't bad. My Col 4 is 100 gallons, can run LOP 16 GPH 200 KTAS or ROP 208 KTAS. Nice cabin, G1000, AC, and XM radio. Built in factory OX tanks, but still something sticking up your nose for entire time. I easily go 800 nm IFR no wind and have had several 1,000 nm IFR with tails.
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  24. Jason Crandall

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    Needs 2 pilots.
     
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    I hear ya. That's why I also suggested just keeping your MU2.

    If you buy that Premier you just have to be ready to be buried in it when you die. What if nobody will buy it from you no matter how cheap you want to let it go? And then to keep it running it's costing you an arm and a leg. Super risky.
     

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