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Anyone in favor of a 'success ballast'?

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Anyone in favor of a 'success ballast'?

  1. Yes. Would improve the show!

  2. No. Ludicrous idea. I'd be done with them!

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  1. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Interested to see the feelings of the peanut gallery here to this latest piece of lunacy they're apparently discussing....

    Cheers,
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  2. Bas

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    **** no.
     
  3. VIZSLA

    VIZSLA Four Time F1 World Champ
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    They keep introducing measures to reduce costs that add to the expense and measures to attract fans that make them a laughingstock.
     
  4. TifosiUSA

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    Not only no but HELL no.
     
  5. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Sure looks that way. :(

    I can't believe that this lunacy was "well received by team bosses" either TBH.

    I'm hoping it's just another silly idea from Bernie that puts him in the spotlight again.

    Or maybe it's their version of April 1st.....

    Cheers,
    Ian
     
  6. rmani

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    i voted yes just to be different. ;)
     
  7. VIZSLA

    VIZSLA Four Time F1 World Champ
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    How many times have we hoped that?
     
  8. VIZSLA

    VIZSLA Four Time F1 World Champ
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    You were different enough without that vote.
    ;)
     
  9. rmani

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    :) at least we both schumacher fans!
     
  10. VIZSLA

    VIZSLA Four Time F1 World Champ
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    And different
    :)
     
  11. gt4me

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    I voted no but wouldn't say I'd be done with it if it happened.
     
  12. william

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    I voted Yes.
    I cannot see that being worst than DRS.

    Also, there seems to be no better way to level the field and give a chance to the less successful teams and drivers.

    But they should tackle the excess of aerodynamics that are actually ruining F1.
     
  13. gt4me

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    I can't see it happening, why would the successful teams want this?
     
  14. VIZSLA

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    Why would the want double points?

    They're told that it will generate income. What else could they want?
     
  15. ztunelover

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    No, I hate the concept of this make everything equal bull****. If one team does better they deserve to dominate. Especially in F1, this is supposed to be the pinaccle of motor racing. None of this equalization. The best will win. That's how it should be
     
  16. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Fair enough, & thanks for the vote!

    For sure, DRS is a band aid, but I think it's proven to work in that it allows a little overtaking.

    They're less successful because they're not as good! I for one don't want Caterham to be moving forward because their car is lighter than Mercs! Anathema!

    That argument has been used as the death of F1 since they first put wings on the hub carriers!

    You *cannot* "ban aero"... They're body's flowing thru a gas - of course aero is going to influence them. And he who does the best job of managing that flow deserves to win. Nothing anyone can do to change the laws of physics.....

    Cheers,
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  17. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    +1

    Pretty much what I've been trying to say for pages now! Thanks! ;)

    Cheers,
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  18. VIZSLA

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    DRS is an abomination.
     
  19. william

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    I don't think Caterham, Sauber or Marussia are going to beat Mercedes and Red Bull if these teams get some ballast as penalty.
    But maybe they won't be so far behind.

    As for limiting aero, I know that the genie is out of the bottle now.
    But since engines, tires,ECU are limited, why don't they limit the aero?
    Why not impose plane shapes instead of tolerating front wings that look like origami?
     
  20. VIZSLA

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    Aero is the last area where the teams can gain advantage in season.
    You really want to limit that?
     
  21. william

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    I would certainly see cars with purer shapes, and not the vanes, winglets, pods and other adds on they sport now.
     
  22. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    But, at least it's the same abomination for all...... ;)

    I swear, they do anything with 'ballast' and I'm done!

    Cheers,
    Ian
     
  23. Fast_ian

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    +1

    The crazy thing then is, they knock big chunks off the friggin' things and go faster!....

    Seems they're spending hours in the tunnels/CFD virtual reality to come up with little tiny tweaks to improve the flow. Costing shed loads no doubt.

    Then they get broken, knocked off, bent or whatever and it makes zero difference to the cars pace!

    Cheers,
    Ian
     
  24. David Lind

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    All of these BS gimmicks make racing closer & closer to "professional" wrestling. I despise mandatory tire compound changes, mandatory engine configuration, and double points for the season closer. Although I admit it makes for a better show, I am also against DRS. After all, if a car is in front of you then he got there on achievement; he either qualified in front of you, passed you, or had a better pit stop than you. And what does DRS do? Gives the less achieving car/driver an artificial advantage.
    This sport needs to look back to what made it great, namely brilliant innovation and unparalleled driving talent. When I look back at F1 history, I most fondly recall the greatness of Jimmy Clark in a revolutionary Lotus, Dan in the Eagle, Nikki pulling Ferrari from the doldrums, the Tyrell 6-wheeler, Sir Jackie in the 'Ring in the rain, the Brabham fan car, Senna drumming Prost (a 4 time world champ!!!) at Monaco, Michael dominating, etc. What do all these men share in common? Greatness, not bull***t gimmicks.
    Give these engineers a greater canvas for creativity, drop the flag, and let the best man win.
     
  25. VIZSLA

    VIZSLA Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Talk like that will get you labeled a mossback.
    Ask me how I know.
    ;)

    Back when the Catholic Church was arguing that the earth was at the center of everything and that the sun revolved around it their "scientists" devised an intricate model of the solar system to illustrate their theory. As more planets and their orbits were discovered this model needed more and more adjustments, complications if you will, to suit the facts but still put the Earth in the middle. In the end it became a Rube Goldbergesque monstrosity.

    I don't know why this is brought to my mind every time F1 tweaks its rules.
     

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