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Discussion in 'Europe' started by FL 355, Nov 17, 2004.

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  1. FL 355

    FL 355 Formula 3

    Nov 3, 2002
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    As I understand it, to be "road worthy" cars must pass a very intense inspection before they are registered.

    Where can I get more info on the specifics of what the inspection covers?

    If the car fails inspection, are there companies that buy these cars for export?

    The reason I'm asking is that a long time ago I knew someone who was importing cars (911's) into the US. All his cars were from Switzerland and could not be registered there due to frame rust (I think). He imported the cars here, repaired them, the subsequently resold them in the US.

    I'm thinking of doing something similar, but with 348/355's.

    BTW - I'm a licensed Customs Broker in the US and can take care off everything on this end...

    Any information or your thoughts would be welcomed.

    Thanks
    FL
     
  2. Simon

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    The dreaded MFK, motorfahrzeugkontrolle. Every 2 or so years cars have to pass a safety inspection, like most other countries. The swiss test is a bit more rigorous than the UK's MOT for example. In CH rust anywhere on the car will generally not be tolerated while the MOT requires only rust on the load bearing structure to be dealt with. Mechanical components, engine, gearbox, axles must be clean, no oil drops.

    I've imported three cars into CH now. The import test is more rigorous again than the standard MFK. But its not unreasonable. Be certain that the car was sold in CH during the years it was originally manufactured and that it fulfills all emissions regs for those years. Back in the 70's and 80's CH had some of the toughest emission regs on the planet. You'll have trouble bringing a TVR from the '80s, for example, into CH as they were never homologated.

    All the cars I've brought in were in very good nick so I had no problems. If you fail the test for some reason, you have 4 weeks to repair and re-test.

    Cars that won't sell here (the Swiss like a new car every year or two) or are uneconomical to fix for the MFK will end up being exported to the ex eastern block countries.
    Hope this helps
    Cheers
    Simon
     
  3. Simon

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    As far as a list of tested items goes, genrally just make sure that everything on the car "works". The last car I imported didn't pass first go. The speedo didin't read accurately and the window demister didn't work.

    If you're looking for non road worthy 348/355's there aren't too many around.
    Normally when a Fcar becomes a bit tired, we sell them on to the poor Germans :D


    Cheers
    Simon
     
  4. FL 355

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    Thank you gents... I think I'll have to fly over there to do some research.

    Are there any major players in CH that specialize in purchasing and exporting these cars to Germany or ex eastern block?
     
  5. FL 355

    FL 355 Formula 3

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    Guys, I see a financial opportunity someplace here.

    After I do my ground work, I will be looking to hook up with someone in CH to be by agent to help me find cars and help with local policies. Does not have to be restricted to F Cars...my background is P Cars.... but I'm thinking anything BMW up.

    I would pay for your services and fund the entire operation...

    Comments....?

    BTW - I'm also a former CEO who retired at age 48...looking for something to stay busy with..
     
  6. Dutchman

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    Simon,

    You mean like Wolfgang and his Testa?
     
  7. Simon

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    Its mostly organised by the guys from the eastern countries. They know the dealers who'll take the crap from people here. When the dealers have enough cars, the buyers head over with a few transporters and ship them back home.

    Let me know in more detail what you're after. I'll see if I can dig anything up for you.

    Cheers
    Simon
     
  8. Simon

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    No comment :D
     
  9. ross

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    you may be forgetting one small thing in this scheme....and that is you will also have to pass dot and epa and pay import duty in the usa, on these youngish cars.
    so unless you have some sort of cut rate method of complying with these things and paying the duty and shipping etc, the eastern bloc boys are always going to be able to outbid you on anything over here.....

    and with the dollar in the tank at the moment, you are fighting another uphill battle.....
     
  10. ze_shark

    ze_shark Formula 3

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    In my knowledge, this kind of business has been quite volatile, the export channels towards eastern europe seemed to be dry now that discretionary income allows these populations to consider buying new or recent cars.
    There also used to be export channels towards Africa, folks buying old japanese cars in running condition for 300$, putting them on a truck and sending them down. Not sure this still exists.
    I know folks who import "exotic" cars such as Infiniti or Dodge SUVs, but don't know about the opposite. Truth is, you see very few ruins on wheels around, as Simon says.

    Inspection intervals start at 4 years and then are shortened to 3 then 2 as the car ages. Inspection rules more or less picky depending on where you go.
     
  11. boxer frank

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    I AM sure ferraris are going to europe from the usa because of the currency values and not the other way around
     
  12. maranello71

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    I also live in Switzerland and I'm always looking at business opportunities in the car market. Let me say that with the US dollar as low as it is now (1.12 Sfr. for 1 US$?) it would be almost impossible to export anything from this country and make a profit.

    Also, as others have mentioned already, the concept of "tired car" does not apply to Swiss mentality, especially when we are talking about valuable cars. You won't find a "tired" Ferrari in CH - only "aged" Ferraris which are usually very well maintained and eventually get restored when they reach "vintage" status. There are a few very bad Ferraris around - but they are usually so knackered that they get broken for parts but wouldn't be worth repairing anyway. There are some tired old Porsches - usually 928s or old-old 911s with monstrous mileages, also often owned by dodgy drug-dealer types - but the costs of fixing them up would far outstrip any market value they could have.

    You will find accident damaged cars, though. These can be good bargains, as an "accident" car is a black label that in Switzerland a car has to bear all its life with effect on the resale value. These often get exported very cheaply. I currently know of a front-damaged (very repairable) F355 Spider with 25,000 miles on the clock for sale at 85,000 Sfr. Not so long ago there were a couple of damaged but repairable Maserati Coupes (4.2l, F.1 gearbox) with very low mileage which went for about 50,000 Sfr. "Eurospares" in England told me they bought two accident-damaged F355s from Switzerland which they dismantled for spare parts.
     

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