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Anyone know how much 15lbs of scrap magnesium is worth?

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  1. chopsui

    chopsui Karting

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    Just FYI to interested parties. This set of Speedlines was purchased from Nakumura Engineering, Japan a couple years ago. They had been refurbished so they of course looked great when I got them, but after only about a year, the paint started bubbling pretty bad on a few of them so I finally got around to taking them to get refinished.

    Oh well. An expensive lesson.

    Edit: I haven't stripped the other three yet. But I'm not optimistic.


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  2. Ferrarium

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    Yep I always assume "refurbished" magnesium wheels = body filler = no. Sorry to hear this, could have been much worse if they failed, best of luck, with what's next wheel wise!
     
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  3. chopsui

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    Indeed. I'm considering something custom from Augment, etc. We'll see.
     
  4. Ferrarium

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    Is that a surface scratch or a crack? If just a surface scratch it could be filled by welding and resurfaced.
     
  6. chopsui

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    It's a crack. Not sure how deep it is yet as I haven't had a chance to go see them in person.
     
  7. Targatime

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    I wouldn't write them off yet. Mag can be welded (you can probably find someone in the old Porsche world, 911's had mag crankcases 1969-1977). Maybe it's just one rim.
     
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  8. bjwhite

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    Honestly that was my first thought--not to write off the other three.
     
  9. vvassallo

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    Needless to say, Mg is scary stuff to work with when it comes to heat. Be very careful. It does make great pyrotechnic material, however. Just sayin'.
     
  10. SoCal1

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    Like the guy at the tire shop said, "I can't patch your blow up doll anymore time for a new one"
     
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  11. BigTex

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    That wheel is done, but as posted the other three might be good, damn that's a scary thing to hide,

    Good thing you found it in the Shop and not at speed.

    The bubbling paint is a common problem if Zinc Chromate is not the first primer re applied.
     
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  12. Laserman

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    Not convinced this is a crack. It may be a casting anomaly because it is too irregular to be a crack. Cracks tend to be much more linear. The only real way to verify for sure is to X-ray the mag. If this was etched the etchant will preferable attack the high free energy grain boundaries first. Was this etched?
     
  13. Christof

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    That almost looks like pitting rather than a crack possibly from scratch on the rim exposing the raw magnesium? I know when I refinished mine and removed all the old paint there was some decent pitting / corrosion.... Were these checked properly by a professional? I would double check first.
     
  14. chopsui

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    I don't know the history of the wheel other than it was freshly painted (with very thick paint) when I got them. After about a year, there was extensive bubbling of the paint on a few of the rims. I'm going to get them all media blasted in a couple weeks and hopefully get fuller picture. (The shop that has them now doesn't want anything more to do with them. I guess he's afraid of liability concerns)

    I don't have a clue where or how to find a place to x-ray them.
     
  15. Laserman

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    I would do a search on NDT (Non Destructive Testing) Services in your area.

    Services to Consider would be X-Ray, Ultrasonic Testing and/or Eddy Current Testing.
     
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  16. chopsui

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    I think one of you guys might be right.

    I just picked the wheels up and here are some good macro shots I just took.


    Sure appears to my untrained eye to be surface defect and not an actual crack. I'll go get the rest of the wheels stripped and see if I can find someone to look at them who knows what they're doing.
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  17. Targatime

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    Doesn't look like a crack to me. Try magnafluxing it. Very simple and cheap DIY process involving spray dye.
     
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  18. Rifledriver

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    Those wheels were really bad for cracking. Some of those don't look like cracks but cracking is extremely common.
     
  19. SoCal1

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    Almost looks like what we used to call a sodium crack back in the mag wheel days of the 60's. The wheel is scraped at one time letting something effect the scratched are propagating a score mark. Similar to scoring glass or a stone before splitting it.
    I'm not sure of the percentage of mag in these wheels. I do remember salt killed them.
    No I would not trust them, wall art :)
     
  20. Christof

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    That's not a crack and I would almost back my own statement that that was a scratch that corroded exposed magnesium at some stage
     
  21. Ferrarium

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    That's not much better than a crack. May as well be crack.
     
  22. joshtownsend

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    Il take them off your hands if need be.. those cracks wont bother me at all.
     
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