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Anyone know where these 330GT's are now?

Discussion in 'Vintage (thru 365 GTC4)' started by yale, Dec 23, 2004.

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  1. yale

    yale Formula Junior

    May 2, 2004
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    When I was looking for my car I also looked at these other 330's and I at times wondered where they may be today. Anyone have any ideas?

    5431 at the time owned by a disreputable attorney named Tristam Buckley, it was a bit of a pig of a car that he of course described as a jewel and refused to return my deposit.

    5601 owned by a car dealer in Chicago, Knauz. He had spent 100,000 on a cosmetic restoration in the 90's and had sat on it ever since. Of course mechanically it left much to be desired.

    6363 Nice enough car owned by a Porsche collector. Someone had restored it and used a lot of duct tape to protect any surface that could rub.

    7137 This one I know is now owned by Keith Milne. It has a cloth interior! When I looked at it the owner only wanted to trade for a Series one XKE.

    Thanks for any info.
    Yale
     
  2. barchetta

    barchetta Formula Junior

    Nov 5, 2003
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    Hi Yale,

    Was 5431 the example that was for sale in upstate New York?

    Best.
     
  3. yale

    yale Formula Junior

    May 2, 2004
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    No 5431 was a red over black car, metal dash (that had rust spots on it!) and though the owner, Tristam Buckley, said it was in good shape, when you lifted the spare tire cover you could see the ground. Nice. Tristam and the car lived in Beverly Hills. When I had the car inspected by someone he recommended, they said the car was not worth doing a leak down or compression test on it. He was pissed that they didn't judge his pig a poke.

    If you were wondering about the wicker sided car I saw in the 1000 Islands region of New York State, I can find the s/n if you want it. That one is being parted out by the way and I can't say the wicker embossed in the sides of the car made it anything but really odd.
    Best, Yale
     
  4. jsa330

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    I remember the Knauz 330 well; it was for sale throughout the year (Nov. '01 thru Nov. '02) that I spent from start of search to purchase of my 330. In fact, I think that it was negative comments on Tom's board that discouraged my checking into it. It was a very good looking car in the photos, though.

    Currently, the only place I can find anything on it is Kerry Chesbro's board, and there's not much new there.
     
  5. yale

    yale Formula Junior

    May 2, 2004
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    Yes, I thought it was a beautiful car. A sea blue, ("celeste") that I have not seen on another Ferrari and a very clean red interior plus Monaco spec yellow headlights, very cool. Course all the gaskets had been reused after it was painted so they were toast and the suspension was ox cart rough not to mention the leak down test showing leaks of 60% in some cylinders. Too bad. The guy who showed me the car had done the restoration on it in 1989 and owned a 330 America which was in boxes, (like Tom Yang's was) that he said he was going to restore some day. Wish I had noted the number of that car.
    Yale
     
  6. yale

    yale Formula Junior

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    PS 6363 was the wrong number of the Porsche collectors car, it was 5445, sorry. Yale
     
  7. El Wayne

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    Yes, can we please get the serial number of the wicker 330 so that we may finally put this thing to rest? Thanks!

    http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20611&highlight=wicker

    http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=465&highlight=wicker
     
  8. jsa330

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    You mean he reused all the exterior rubber stuff? Brilliant!

    I replaced the eight "silentblok" rear axle control arm bushings and all the front swaybar bushings on my car and there was an immediate improvement in ride quality, from slightly harsh to smoothly firm-the way it's supposed to be. My guess is that all the silentblok bushings on the Knauz car were original and shot for it to have had that bad a ride. It's an expensive job to replace them.
     
  9. DBR328&330

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    Hey Yale,

    It just dawned on me that your post from June about sitting in a Green 330GT is my car! And it still had the window crank in the glove box.

    Dan
     
  10. yale

    yale Formula Junior

    May 2, 2004
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    I saw that car at at Octagon Auto about 1999 or 2000. Is that where you got your car? They had about three 330's in various states of repair. To some extent they were/are an east coast Tom S. but specializing in all things foreign. When I was there they had quite a few "barns" with cars that were together, a shed full of foreign car engines and a field of lotus', triumphs, jaguars, etc. Though not as exotic as it sounds as many were really crapped out and not very many were that old.

    I never see ads for them anymore so I assume they are totally out of the Ferrari world. Yale
     
  11. DBR328&330

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    Yale,

    Brenner from Octagon Auto sold the car to Duncan in 2000. It is still in business. I did alot of ownership research on the car and I can account for all but 18 months of its existance. I am the 22nd owner. If you are interested, go to Kerry Chesbro's site and look up 9119 (330 GT Registry). I bought the car from Exoticars Pittsburgh.

    Dan
     
  12. Erik330

    Erik330 Formula Junior

    May 8, 2004
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    I believe that Jeff Lefebvre restored the blue Knauz car back in the late '80s.
     
  13. yale

    yale Formula Junior

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    Yes that is who showed me the car, do you know him?

    Wayne, I thought if I put the numbers that I got from Mostly British I would be able to figure out which car was the "wicker" car I saw. But none of my numbers correspond to being that car. When I was there I didn't find Petroske super giving so I wasn't able to get numbers directly from him. I just copied down the numbers I was able to find on one of the three 330's I saw and from some of the engine parts he had tagged. I gave Kerry those numbers as being parted out by Petroske. Petroske told me he had parted out another 3 330's then the three I saw so two of the cars including the wicker one, I didn't get the numbers for.
    Best,

    Yale
     
  14. Erik330

    Erik330 Formula Junior

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    Haven't seen him for 15 or 20 years, but yes I knew him. His father, Norm Lefebvre was an old time foreign car guy, worked in South Bend, IN and SW Michigan. He actually did a fair amount of Ferrari work for people like Emil Tosi and others. Jeff worked for his dad and then went on his own back in the late 80's when I know he restored that particular car as I saw extensive photos of the project. I never saw the car personally. I know that Bill Knauz and the Lefebvres were friends and I think that Bill had some ownership in the car.

    I saw it advertised in the Lake Bluff, IL area about 6 months ago. I'll bet it's still owned by Knauz who owns Mercedes, Land Rover, etc dealerships on Chicago's north shore. A call to Knauz would confirm.
     
  15. yale

    yale Formula Junior

    May 2, 2004
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    I did see it (5601) on ebay once and it seemed to sell but then got offered again so maybe it didn't. As I remember, Jeff told me he had done a restoration for Knauz of another Ferrari that Knauz made a good deal of money on in the late 80's, so Knauz bought the blue 330GT from Long Island, N.Y. and drove it back to Chicago to repeat the experience. Unfortunately by the time it was restored the Ferrari market had started a downward slide, Knauz turned down $95,000 at auction and then sat on the car for ten years until he started advertising this and a Dino he had in Hemmings in 2000.

    There is also a yellow 330GT that has been for sale on the Classic Car Collection web site for the last five years. Though I have inquired about other cars on this site and found that they were sold so maybe this is also a phantom car. If not, and if Knauz still has 5601, it is amazing that while there are other 330 Series 1's that get sold these two just sit there and the owners, I guess, wait for the market to adjust to them. Or...

    As for Jeff reusing the rubber that was on the car when he restored it, he said replacement rubber was not available at the time. Anyway it is a beautiful car with needs, maybe it is worth the price in this high Euro world now? I bought my car in Europe for 55,000 Euros which was $42,000 at the time. Boy how times have changed.

    Yale
     
  16. jsa330

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    It's a wierd mindset that some of these dealers seem to get into. The Knauz car just sat at an apparently unnegotiable $42.5K, and now this 365 GTC/4 that's been a topic on Tom's board, where the dealer was resistant to a PPI and lost a possible sale over it.

    Yale, was Knauz willing to negotiate price or allow a PPI when you looked at their car, or maybe you didn't get that far?

    Maybe not such a wierd mindset after all; just too painful to let it go cheap after putting big bucks into a restoration and then have the bottom fall out.
     
  17. yale

    yale Formula Junior

    May 2, 2004
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    Yes old man Knauz said he has spent 100,000 on the restoration but since he didn't do the engine or the suspension (and it is now five years later and I know more) I realize that doing only the paint, body work and interior really shouldn't come to that much. So who knows what the true story is on many things in the Ferrari world.

    I did do a PPI by the way. Knauz said when I told him my intention to do that, "oh like they do for airplanes," acting like the whole idea was unusual. The funny thing is that so much about buying a car is so visceral and not reality based that maybe the car was fine and the PPI by the local Ferrari dealer that showed leakage of 40% in some cylinders came out that way because as Knauz said it was done by and ex-employee, etc., etc.

    As it was I still ended up buying a car that needed engine work! At the time it just seemed like it was a better car, I guess. Such is life. Yale
     
  18. Erik330

    Erik330 Formula Junior

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    As I recall from the photos, the car was cosmetically spectacular looking. Sad to hear that they didn't go all the way on it.
     

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