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Anyone nearby want a set of 360 rims+rubber?

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  1. mondialman

    mondialman Karting

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    Pirelli P Zero
    Front 215 45 ZR 18
    Rear 275 40 ZR 18

    The tires state a maximum pressure of 51 psi. The tire pressures currently are 36-38 pounds. I will get a recommendation from the tire shop when I take the car back in to confirm that the tires are balanced, and the lug bolts are torqued properly.
     
  2. redrocks

    redrocks Rookie

    Mar 2, 2004
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    there is the same ad on ebay now (see ebay Item number: 7907700736)
    for the modena style wheels with bridgestone tires which I would like to buy for my 83 Mondial isntead of replacing the expensive Michelins trx tires.. It seems from this thread that these wheels will fit a Mondial without modification except perhaps longer lug nuts? can anyone verify before I buy?thanks,
    Wayne
     
  3. Auraraptor

    Auraraptor F1 World Champ
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    You need to use the OEM 360 bolts.
     
  4. mondialman

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    Email the seller and ask where you can buy 360 bolts from. Then contact that source and confirm for yourself before you bid that you can get the longer bolts. If they are not Ferrari bolts, you have to satisfy yourself that the non-stock bolts will be safe. BTW, I have since found out on hard turns the rears rub and slightly slice up the sidewall at the edge near the radius of the tread. So they look wonderful, but not sure if they will work on the track or hard cornering. Does anybody know if the 355 rear tires aren't as wide? The 360 rear tires are 11 inches wide.
     
  5. Auraraptor

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  6. mondialman

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  7. Auraraptor

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  8. mchferrari

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    The 360 rims on the Mondial sure look sharp. I didn't think I'd like it, but seeing the pics, it looks good. :)
     
  9. mondialman

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    Just drove the Mondial again last night, and I am noticing the rear tires rubbing more on corners. Could be that the 360's are just too wide for the Mondial wheel well.
     
  10. Auraraptor

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    I would not be so fast to judge. The rears you are using are notably taller then your OEM specs. I would try something shorter and a bit narrower..like a 250/40-18 (which is overall 20mm shorter and 25mm narrower)
     
  11. mondialman

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    Yes, the 250/40-18 would be shorter. Although when placed side by side, the 275 P Zeros are already of a slightly smaller overall diameter than the stock metrics. I remember this because I wanted to know if the new wheels would exacerbate the existing speedo inaccuracy problem. Once I completely shred the P Zeros I will need new tires anyway. Does Pirelli make a 250? What about a 250/35-18, if one exists?
     
  12. Auraraptor

    Auraraptor F1 World Champ
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    P Zero makes nothing :( for that matter I forgot that 250 isnt made, it will be a 245 (wont fit 10 inch rear) or a 255. I looked in 255/35 and 255/40 and could not find anything offered by P zero.
     
  13. mondialman

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    Which would be the smallest profile to prevent the sidewall rubbing? There are a number of speed rated tires in the 255/35-18 size. Just go to tirerack.com and search by size and speed rating.
     
  14. Auraraptor

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    I need more information on where it is rubbing on the tire. If it is the sidewall/edges, maybe a narrower tire, if it is the tread, make a shorter tire.

    I had similar issues when I upsized my BMW's wheels where I would get rubbing on hard turns. Lowering the profile by dropping a 10 on the sidewall % (ie 245-45 to 255-40) fixed it.

    This is based on my experiance:

    Is your rubbing replicatable on hard/full-steering-to-lock low speed turns? (Your side profile is too large)

    Or is it when you hit a bump etc that you get issues. (need harder springs)
     
  15. mondialman

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    Do you mean 255-40 to 245-45? I'm not sure on all the ratio relationships. Have you posted a thread that explains it all?

    The slices are at the sidewall near the tread, not the tread. But I will get out there and try to replicate what you suggest, to find out exactly what the problem is.
     
  16. Auraraptor

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    #41 Auraraptor, Jul 3, 2004
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    I went from 245/45 to 255/40's on my BMW, and eliminated all rub issues I had.

    Here is how tires are named:

    The first number is the tire width, the second is the % of the width that makes the sidewall. Example: 245/45 means the tires are 245mm wide and the tire sidewall is 245 x .45 = 110.25mm. Now when I replaced the wheels, I went wider but with a shorter sidewall: 255 x .40 = 102mm. You can see where I 'saved' more distance in the sidewall, comparing the 110 to the 102.

    In your case:

    Your rears are a 275/40-18. Thus your tire sidewall is going to be: 275mm x .40 = 110mm. If you go to a 255/40-18, then you will save 20mm in your width since you have narrower tires, as well as reduce your sidewall so you have more room to work with: 255 x .4 = 102mm.

    How does tire-side wall relate to the real overall diameter? Think of it this way: the overall diameter is equal to the sidewall + rim diameter + sidewall. So decreasing your sidewall to 102mm means overall you decreased the diameter by 16mm..or over 1/2 an inch. (see image)
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  17. mondialman

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    Thanks for the education. From the slices on the sidewall, it looks like the problem is width. So moving to a 255/40 would reduce the width in relation to the part on the fender that it is rubbing by 10mm (half the 20mm difference), plus reduce the height by 8mm (distance from the centerline of the hub)
     
  18. Auraraptor

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    Yes you are right. I forgot to divide by 2 since the decrease is over a length from a fixed center..not purely linear, I am sorry, but I hope I could help.
     
  19. jscar71

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    You need longer lugnuts, just bought a set. There is a thread with the pics of the car.
     
  20. mondialman

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    In May I broke down and replaced the 275/40's with 255/40 PZero's. They work just great. No rubbing at all even with 4 passengers. I had a little rubbing problem on the left front tire on hard right turns, but I just bent the louvers in the wheel well a little bit and it took care of the problem. Thanks for everyone's help. If anyone has questions about this conversion, I would be happy to help in any way.
     
  21. mondialman

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    #46 mondialman, Aug 8, 2005
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