458 Are all the 458's falling apart?

Careful… it’s the holy grail 458…you’re probably on thin ice on this forum …lol

 

Yes it's an old car with a lot of electronics unlike the previous more analogue models, which is more of my liking tbh after owning several of it.
Things will fail, this might just be the tip of the iceberg.

The build quality is poor in general:
1. Have had issue with both mine doing strange noises where two parts around the front wheel house had to be weld together again,
2. Rear view mirror falling off in the car when I did a hard pull once.
3. A lot of annoying noises from the sthe passenger seat (had the standard comfort seats in my first 458 and there were some sorts of wiring inside the seat that did the noise apparently)
4. A lot of annoying noises from the dash which I don't think ever got resolved.
5. AC compressor started to burn which lead me to start reading the manual where it said - use AC with modesty (I mean that's just ridicilous) - have I not acted fast the car might have burnt down.
6. Sticky buttons a poor quality of the leather that ages fast due to hot or sunny climate which makes you aware and give you the headache to plan parking in the shades or cover it when parked outside.
7. The brake disk are fragile and needs to be replaced or refurbished (there is a company in UK who does this but it's almost as expensive as if you're to buy new ones) if you track your car as I did for after 60 000-70 000 km, in that case just go with steel disks as the original CCBs are expensive. You need to change them in pairs.

Above is just some of the hassles I've had, there is a lot more but don't want to offend the 458 cult too much. It's always the model you have is the best, will appreciate the most or hold value the best etc etc.
Never in my life seen so many thread about depreciation or speculation that one or the other car is the next to kick off and be a collectible and the value will sky rocket as here on F-chat and more precisely about the 458....

 

You've been lucky to make more than 60,000 km with your discs - mine were dead after 15,000 (on a 488, but I guess that's similar)
Alternately to steel discs, one can go with better CCM than the Brembo - I had Surface Transforms discs installed and am very happy with them so far.

 

Yep I'm at $92/mo to insure my 2010 as well.

 

These aren't German cars, they're Italian. Nuff said.

 

Curious why do you not have the Indy do the annual?

 

Reading this thread is making me really appreciate my McLaren. I was on verge of getting 458 before values catapulted up, and I feel less bad about it. Still livid I missed out on a couple 2011 examples for under $150k.

 

Mostly they give me a very good rate on it and they do no cost enclosed transportation. I also like to keep a good relationship with the dealer. I think my normal service is only about $1500 a year.

 

2014 28,000 miles. No problems other than sticky buttons which I just fixed.

 

2011 458s for anything near 150k sounds pretty treacherous. Sounds like high mileage or more than half a dozen previous owners.

For all the negativity this thread seems to contain once my 458 successfully starts up and the right foot comes down all worries just disappear.

 

My Speciale is rock solid, no major issues so far.

Every year visit to F dealer, peace of mind.

 

Look it just is what it is, you have to pay to play. Nobody wants to say "hey yea my car is an italian piece of crap", well funny I do actually say that sometimes, but these are high strung race horses....they're not built to be reliable they're built to perform. For us to go around saying our cars are "reliable" is subjective, are they reliable compared to a Mclaren sure maybe, are they reliable compared to a common car even a bad common car.....hell no. And even if they are "reliable" as in they don't break down a lot, well I just paid 10k to have shocks replaced and that apparently was a great deal....how much do shocks car on even an "unreliable" common car?

I just lost my California to a fire and I'm now shopping for a 458. If you go on the California sub forum all the talk is about how reliable they are, well I had to total up my invoices. I spent 20k in "maintenance" in the 2+ years I owned my completely babied Cali and that wasn't including the ceramic coating paint correction or having the warranty extended each year and I did get "free" injectors because of the warranty....god knows how much that would have cost otherwise. Mind you for the warranty to be extended the car has to be free of issues right? Also like I said all the talk is about how reliable the California is.

For what it's worth the world renowned tech at my local dealer told me that he would put the reliability of a California at a 5 which I was shocked to hear but makes sense now, with a 348 being a 1 and a 458/488 being a 10.

 

For what it's worth, that was during the golden buying time of Summer 2020, when every exotic car was a bargain.

 

Seriously, German engines (Porsche) in the 2 seater’s are amazing. That’s it. The rest in the rest of their cars are just like any other.


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Based on these comments, is it possible the total cost of ownership of a 488GTB may actually be less than the 458 Italia, if someone was buying today and holding for 2-3 years? The inputs in such formula would include purchase price of both vehicles, difference in cost of repairs and higher expected resale value of the 488 GTB?

 

488 still depreciating I believe while 458 is holding steady.

 

I can use myself as a real world example. I'm coming out of a Cali lost to fire and I could afford a 488 just as easily as a 458 but I am specifically shopping for a 458, I'm not interested in a 488 simply because I want the last n/a mid engine V8 and the advantages a 488 has over a 458 doesn't mean much to me. Specifically I guess just straight line speed, speed doesn't mean much anymore with what electric cars are doing.

 

Do more research on the 488. It's not only straight line speed that is better. It's the Chassis stiffness, brakes, steering, fit and finish, electronics, buttons, suspension, handling, sound (only when driving gently), interior materials, and much more planted at speed. And probably a few things I forgot. However, I must admit, I REALLY miss the sound of the 458 when operating it between 4,000 and 8,000 RPM's, that sound is pure bliss! All that said, so far, I don't regret getting the 488, because I'm appreciating all the benefits. But I may regret it when I decide to sell. I'm thinking that the 458 is going to hold it's value (or increase) better than the 488. I think the 488's charm is in the dollar to performance value.

 

What did you do to fix them? Send them off or DIY?

 

sounds like you bought a real stinker

 

Stinkers in that case as both of them suffered from different quality issues which will just get worse with age as there are too much electronics and other advanced stuff in them that will break including the gearbox.

I still bealive the last great gearbox they did was the single clutch in the 430, in the Scuderia it is just exceptional and nothing like the 458 iteriations which is like a video game where the novelty wears off pretty quick.

Give the Scud a go and you will see what I mean but off course it all depends on what you're looking for.

Need to point out that compared to most of f-chat menbers here I really used both 458s and scared them both all the way up to over 100 000 km and experienced some strange behaviors in the DCT on my second one but never cared to take it to my tech as it was a fault that happend now and then and hard to diagnose. On my second one the CCB was done after some tracking as well. As mentioned before they needed refurbishing or replacing with steel discs.

 

almost 16K miles and zero problems other than occasional "front lift error" that goes away on its own and of course darn sticky buttons.

 

2014 Spider, 7700 miles, issue with the sticky buttons and was taken care of. I replace the battery every year, no issues with electronics.. Rear view mirror is loose a bit… Leather headliner was just replaced…

Other than the above, all is fine….

Ray

 

62k miles on this one, must be at least reasonably reliable!

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