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Are Bridgestone cheating?

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  1. andrewg

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    Just read this article over on Autosport.com http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/54491

    Seems Michelin think Bridgestone have been spraying performance enhancing chemicals onto their tyres to make the gripier for the first couple of laps.....just what you need during qualifying
     
  2. frefan

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    Interesting. Steriods for Tires. Well its big biz so I wouldn't put it past them. Either way, Michelin is out, so will it matter?
     
  3. nthfinity

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    seems the stewards were satisfied with Ferrari's explanation... and it what about MS having fastest lap during the race as well? well after those chemicals would've been worn off....
     
  4. senna21

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    It actually would be a very big deal. Although Mich is out next year this year the championship is still up for grabs. By allowing the tires to reach temp quickly and have good adhesion during the out lap during the race gives Ferrari a nice advantage. Races can be won or lost on out laps, when you come out just in front of a competitor who's on hot tires and you're skating around on warm/cold ones.
     
  5. frefan

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    thats BLOCKING!!! jk ;););)
     
  6. YellowbirdRS

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    I don't think MS or Ferrari risk the WDC & WC cheating that way.
    my .02
     
  7. RP

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    I did not see a Ferrari have that advantage any time this year.

    In fact, the Renault seems to accelerate much better on cold tires than any other car on the grid. Possibly Michelin is actually doing what they are accusing Bridgestone, and are making this accusation to throw the attention off of themselves. :}
     
  8. william

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    Are we going to open another pandora box??

    This is cold war stuff!!
     
  9. frefan

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    trade secrets man, trade secrets
     
  10. SPEEDCORE

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    Isn't this like drinking Gatorade :p

    Seriously, after the BS Michelin has caused in the sport, they should be the LAST ones *****ing.
     
  11. tonyc

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    I found this on pitpass (http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_news_item.php?fes_art_id=29317)
    that cracked me up:

    "The most damning thing about this exclusive photograph is that the Bridgestone employee appears to be eating yoghurt... or maybe an ice cream, or even a Crunchie Flurry... it might even be a bowl of Frosties... in what clearly a contaminated environment.

    Look at the man, look at his eyes, look at the pout, that smug, know-it-all expression... he's up to no good!!!

    What is really happening, we must be told!!!"

    :)
     
  12. RP

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    Could be this tire engineer is allergic to latex.
     
  13. Remy Zero

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    it could be perfume :D
     
  14. yzee

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    They caught them soaking tires in NASCAR a long time ago.
     
  15. jbanzai

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    An interesting practice by painters who use solvents on their work, is that they drink milk or eat yogurt, which apparently helps to disipate the stomach sickness that those chemical solvents frequently cause...
     
  16. SoftwareDrone

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    So where can I get a can of this stuff?? (the tire spray, not the yogurt)
     
  17. TopElement

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  18. tifosi12

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    This story has potential for development. It ain't over till the fat lady, err I mean the fat white tire boy sings.

    Vive Bibendoum! :)
     
  19. RP

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    I think he was a skinny Asian. So it would have to be when the skinny Asian sings. Right?
     
  20. Anthony_Ferrari

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    Uh Oh! It get's worse! http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_news_item.php?fes_art_id=29332 Click on the link to see the latest picture causing upset for Michelin!

    ;)

    I agree with pitpass on this one:
     
  21. bigodino

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    But is it against the rules to put something on the tires?
     
  22. bretm

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    Yes. It comes up periodically, each season someone else is suspected.

    To me, what would be more useful would be to build a multi-compound tire. ie, a super soft shell that wears off in a few laps. I'm not 100% sure, but I seem to recall them having single-compound rules in F1 that came along with the switch to grooved tires, (as opposed to MotoGp and other series which allow multi-compounds - both from left to right and as the tread gets worn). It would be pretty hard to detect though if you only brought a set or two.
     
  23. Tifoso1

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    Yes they are. Just like how FIA is fixing the races so Ferrari and MS can beat Renault and FA. Ferrari is the greatest evil this world has ever seen, they are a lot of bad, bad people that works there.

    Don't the French/Michellin people understand and know that Bridgestone is a Japanese company? They are so disciplained and strict about everything, the technician is just afraid of getting his Bridgestone uniform dirty.
     
  24. Papa G

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    I think you're right. IIRC, at the 2003 Monaco GP Michelin complained about Bridgestone using different types of compounds (not sure if front, rear, or side-side or both). In return Bridgestone complained about the Michelins being too wide. Can anyone else confirm this or was this typical internet rumor?
     
  25. Blocktrader

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    Pro Blend makes a softener that is supposed to be undetectable. I have to imagine both companies are capable of using products like this. Quite frankly, with the amount at stake at these levels, I would think it to be more likely that they used methods like this than not.
     

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