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  1. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    LOL oh my justice?? Yes lol. You literally steal/copy a full car and you realize you cannot make your own. Sounds like RedBull and engines LOL. Superb entertainment for the weekend. Zero sympathy.
     
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  2. ingegnere

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    As I wrote in the other thread about 1st time winners in 2022, I bet Mick in the Haas does better than either of the Aston muppets this year.
     
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  3. furoni

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    That's 6 seasons too many!
     
  4. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    So, after Alpine, now Aston Martin is in trouble early in the season.
     
  5. Flavio_C

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    Mark my words: if there isn't good results until mid-year, Lawrence Strulovitch will sell Aston Martin by year end.
     
  6. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    Andretti still says he is in the market. Porsche and Audi/VW group might be tempted. Andretti does not have the firm funding in the required amount a Stroll price needs lol.
     
  7. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    I would be surprised if Stroll Sr throws the towell so quickly, but one never knows.
     
  8. Flavio_C

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    Don't you know that he is very short temper?
     
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  9. william

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    I don't think it's only up to him; he is leading a consortium of investors, and they have something to say.
     
  10. DF1

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    https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/aston-martin-wind-tunnel-model-already-nothing-like-current-car/9012071/

    Aston Martin windtunnel model already “nothing like” current car
    Aston Martin Formula 1 performance director Tom McCullough says that the team is already working on a completely different version of its AMR22 in the windtunnel.
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    Aston Martin was the first team both to unveil a real 2022 car and shake it down on track at a Silverstone filming day.

    Chief technical officer Andrew Green made it clear at the time that having launched so early the team was ready to investigate ideas from other new cars, and that the AMR22 was likely to change rapidly through the season.

    That process is already well in hand as the team reacts to the lessons learned since the start of testing in Barcelona.

    “The car you're seeing now is nothing like the car we have in the windtunnel,” said McCullough. “And I'm sure that's the same for everybody, up and down the pit lane.

    “As you're adapting your cars, and optimising your cars, there's going to be an element of that car is strong, and it's gone that way that we sort of half looked at before. So let's revisit the data we've already got.

    “As Andrew Green has said we tried with this car not to drive ourselves into any cul-de-sacs.

    “So of all the different solutions out there, from the packaging and philosophy side of things, we just thought we want to be able to have a bit of freedom not to lock ourselves in totally to just one philosophy.

    “And that is the case, we're open to converging. I think for all teams there will be an element of convergence, but maybe not as radical as the extremes. It's very interesting time.

    “I think for the aero design guys it must be information overload for those those people at the moment.”

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    Sebastian Vettel, Aston Martin AMR22

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    McCullough stressed that the team had no idea that its PU partner Mercedes was pursuing the sidepod and cooling concept that it unveiled on the W13 in Bahrain.

    Aston Martin buys its power units, gearboxes and rear suspension from Mercedes, but McCullough says that there were no clues in the packaging of the shared elements as to what direction its partner team was taking.

    The slim sidepod arrangement of the W13, the result of the Brackley team’s pursuit of an ultra efficient cooling system, was the talk of the Sakhir test.

    “We had no idea that that was coming,” said McCullough. “We don't share any of that kind of information. Rear suspension, gearbox, engine hydraulics, that's the stuff that we're sort of sharing.

    “So the whole radiator package cooling side of things has nothing to do with our knowledge. I started seeing it on social media the day before, a lot of people were talking about it. And that was the first time I heard about it.

    “I think that fundamentally, what you're seeing different with the Mercedes is just the packaging of the radiators that then feed into the heat exchangers.
     
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  11. jcurry

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    I think fundamentally a radiator is a heat exchanger.;)
     
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  12. jcurry

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    In my post above that quote is NOT attributed to member DF1, rather to the AM Performance Director.
     
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  13. Mitch Alsup

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    Generally the term radiator is reserved to a coolant in pipes with air flowing through the mass of the body.

    The term heat exchanger can use any two fluids {gas-gas- water-water, liquid-water, gas-liquid,...} and the cooling flow does not have to go "through" the body but can pick up the heat by any necessary means.

    All radiators are heat exchangers, not all heat exchangers are radiators.

    The F355 motor has a coolant-transmission-oil heat exchanger between the throttle bodies. It is used to warm up the transmission faster, and to keep it cool when driving the snot out of the car.
     
  14. william

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    Pre-war, the Germans (Auto-Union and Mercedes) made the cooling pipes go through a container filled with crushed ice on their record cars. The aim was to dispense with drag inducing air intakes . That crude system worked well for short durations.

    In the 90s, I saw that on one of the Bonneville streamliners, they used a complete refrigeration system to control the engine temperature. It wasstill a rather primitive system, but again, there was no need for an air intake or radiator. I noticed that they could keep the system running for long periods, from the main or the car battery.

    I wonder why no team explored that solution in F1. There would be no need for air intakes for radiators, thus the aero would be greatly improved, and it would be easier to control the temperature. Designing a minimal refrigeration unit easier to package in the car is certainly possible

    Maybe one team will be bold enough to try that system, and the others will protest it ?
     
  15. SS454

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    Does anyone want to take bets about the B spec Aston Martin having sidepods like the Mercedes? :D
     
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  17. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    No, in fact we had quite an insight from you. Not a surprise.

    Self-made men tend to have a big ego and an abrasive personality, that's nothing new.

    Enzo Ferrari was a prime example!
     
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  18. ingegnere

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    Not being a world famous car builder yourself, What’s your excuse, LOL?
     
  19. 375+

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    Though the article incorrectly refers to Lawrence as Lance.
     
  20. william

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    What's yours ? A chip on the shoulder perhaps ?
     
  21. DF1

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    Aston must be a 'fun' place to work lol. Otmar providing this about his move out of Aston!

    https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/szafnauer-f1-teams-cant-be-run-by-two-popes/9075708/

    Szafnauer: F1 teams can’t be run by “two Popes”
    New Alpine Formula 1 boss Otmar Szafnauer has made it clear that his authority was being undermined at Aston Martin, noting that a team can't be run by "two Popes".
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    Szafnauer contrasted life with Aston Martin owner Lawrence Stroll, who is closely involved in the decision-making process, with how the former Force India team operated under previous owner Vijay Mallya.

    Latterly, Martin Whitmarsh was added to the chain of command as Group CEO of Aston Martin Performance Technologies, further diluting Szafnauer's authority.

    Szafnauer parted company with the Silverstone outfit at the start of this year, and was quickly recruited as the new team principal of Alpine.

    "Like a friend of mine told me the Catholic church only has one Pope," Szafnauer told F1 TV.

    "And when you have two Popes, it's just not right. So I think it was time to leave and leave Aston Martin to their one Pope, and I'm going to try to help out Alpine to the best of my ability.

    "Everybody's got an owner, and everyone's got a boss. So that bit of it isn't difficult. But the owner and boss that I had before didn't micromanage at all, completely left me to it.

    "Vijay [Mallya] would come to the factory four days a year, and I would see him at the race track. But 98% of the work is not done at the race track. It's done back at the factory, that's where it really happens.
     
  22. jcurry

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    Understood, and hence my statement was correct.

    How about that, my 360 has the same thing;)
     
  23. Bas

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    If AM really is 2 seconds of the pace as charts suggest, I expect it to be sold to the Andretti's post haste, and Stroll Jnr can find a cheaper motorsport to participate in, perhaps LMP2.
     
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    Stroll's consortium is too deeply invested for a fire sale. Lance to IndyCar!
     
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