In 2022 everything will change. Gene Haas knows perfectly well that the financial value of his team will drastically improve in the coming years.
Aston Martin want fia to change the rules so they can get their floor back....mid season! Saying after discussions they might start legal action. Aston doing their very best to become the most disliked team
Oh yeah? And when Ferrari challenges the rules they are genius or what? It's very normal for a F1 team to challenge rules and regulations that strangle the performance of their cars. Happens all the time, every year.
Challenge with legal action? To what court? The same way they threatened legal action last year for cheating claims before being fined by the FIA? On a rule change imposed for safety reasons after the tire supplier tells F1 that expect issues with their tires with expected performance increase year-on-year? And when all the other teams rolled up their sleeves and got their cars to work—even after a bit of whining by HAM—with the new rules they’ve just exposed AM for just adopting Merc design without understanding how it works. The fact they turned their backs on their own development of their car last year to copy the 2021 design shows they’re just relying on Merc IP. They should complain to and sue Merc instead for selling them them a dud design. What-about-ism is not much of a comeback here.
Anything to help Lance live his F1 title dream lol They need to develop their car and stop talking. Adapt to the rules and move on!
+1 on the adopt Mercedes without having foundation of knowledge about it. Classic reverse-engineering. They are noted cheaters from last year. Entitled billionaire team owner looking for short-cut to success. Reality is this is a well run team but not one with design depth or capability for now. They are not a winning team as they lack the capacity.
It's a way to apply pressure. At the FIAsco of the USGP legal pressure was brought into play as well. Ferrari doesn't got that route but they always threaten with withdrawing from F1.
This should be made a permanent post in the F1 forum and every time a team (incl. Ferrari) complains, we'll just point to this. Gleiches Recht fuer alle.
Horner: Aston Martin ‘a little naive’ to expect F1 aero rule tweaks https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/horner-aston-martin-a-little-naive-to-expect-f1-aero-rule-tweaks/6295093/ In other words, idiots!
It emerged in Bahrain that teams running low-rake cars - such as Aston Martin and Mercedes - appeared to be hurt more by the updated aerodynamic rules for 2021 than those with high-rake concepts. The FIA moved to cut downforce and reduce speeds for 2021 on safety grounds, with much of this cut being achieved by changes to the regulations surrounding floor designs. Aston Martin team principal Otmar Szafnauer revealed on Friday at Imola that he was pushing the FIA to consider making tweaks this year "to make it a bit more equitable" between teams running high- and low-rake car concepts. But Horner - whose Red Bull team races with a high-rake car concept - said he was "slightly surprised" to hear how strong Szafnauer's opposition was after just a single race. "We had a sample of one, that Mercedes won that race with what we classify a low-rake car," Horner said on Sky Sports F1. "They had absolutely equal, if not maybe better, tyre degradation than we had in Bahrain. They've looked mighty impressive here and we've only run at one circuit so far. "But ignoring all of that, there is a process for regulations to be introduced and they were voted through unanimously through the different regulations. "Aston Martin or Racing Point would have had to vote for before being passed through the Formula 1 Commission and the World Council. They were all voted through unanimously. Image Unavailable, Please Login Lance Stroll, Aston Martin AMR21 Photo by: Charles Coates / Motorsport Images "When there was a front wing change a few years ago it really hurt us. We voted against it, but you just have to accept it. "It seems a little naive to think that suddenly the rules are going to get changed after the sample of a single race after the process has been fully followed. "I'm struggling to get my head around that." The fashion in which the aerodynamic cuts hit Mercedes and played toward Red Bull has created a closer fight at the front of the pack in the early part of the 2021 season. Horner said that seeing the top teams get slowed down was "the nature of the game" in F1, and something that had to be accepted. "Whether it was blown diffusers, double diffusers, flexing wings, non-flexing wings, F-ducts, front wing regulations as I mentioned just a couple of years ago - it's part of Formula 1," Horner said. "Regulations evolve and change and you've got to swing with those punches and that is F1. "We've got a big regulation change for next year, but the teams have known that. That's been part of the sport for many, many years."
https://www.planetf1.com/news/aston-martin-target-early-podium/ Back in February Otmar predicted podiums for AM! Big words for a man that is now whinging that he ''knew with absolute certainty'' that the new regulations would hurt the Mercedes concept (that they borrowed, of course). Did Otmar also forget that both he AND Mercedes voted for this regulation change anyways?
Yeah, just watched the recording of practice. The Otmar interview was cringeworthy. He’s obviously been put up to saying this nonsense in public as he is neither convinced nor convincing. Also funny to hear Arnold whining and stating unequivocally that Merc were hurt the most by the rules change when they won the first race of 2021 after losing the last race of 2020. If AM were so convinced that the Merc concept was going to be penalized why did they not develop the car they won with in 2020 and not adopt Merc’s 2021 design? Not to mention why did they agree to the rules change? Franz Tost’s dismissive reply was the best though.
Formula 1 / Analysis- https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/how-aston-martin-is-fighting-back-from-its-low-rake-deficit/6486167/ How Aston Martin is fighting back from its low rake deficit By: Matt Somerfield Co-author: Giorgio Piola Apr 27, 2021, 4:57 AM Aston Martin has spoken openly about how it feels that Formula 1’s new 2021 aero regulations have hurt its low rake car. Image Unavailable, Please Login Team principal Otmar Szafnauer is keen to hold talks with the FIA to understand the procedures of its legislature - and although the political saga will continue to rumble on in the background, the team has had to introduce developments in a bid to catch up with the opposition. Having already changed its floor design for the first race of the season, Aston Martin arrived in Imola with yet more changes to try and boost the AMR21’s aerodynamic performance. This time it turned its attention to the sidepods and the various aero surfaces that surround them. The sidepods were already incredibly tightly packaged on the AMR21 but in an effort to boost aerodynamic performance, the design team focused on reducing the size of the inlet and, as a consequence, the size of the sidepod’s shoulder. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Having ticked both of these features off the checklist, Aston Martin was also able to go in search of further gains, with the sidepod wing that extends out from the cockpit to the edge of the floor now warped, whilst a much larger endplate is used to define its outermost edge (white arrow). This design will likely shed a more intense vortex than the solution raced until now (below). This change is also extremely interesting, as it’s much more in keeping with the aerodynamic philosophy that the team had in its previous guise as Racing Point. Staying with the aerodynamic surfaces attached to the sidepod, we have to mention the blade-like fin attached to the sidepod’s shoulder (blue arrow), which had previously been mounted horizontally but now finds itself enlarged and fixed at an almost 45-degree angle. Meanwhile, the lower side impact spar housing that extends out to meet the sidepod deflector has also been revised, as it now droops down to meet the vertical flow diverter (green arrow), altering the ratio in its division of the flow around the sidepod. Aston Martin has also chosen to overhaul the design of its wing mirrors and their supports, with the main cockpit support now at a right angle (red arrow), rather than being curved. As a consequence of this extra rigidity, the lower support that passed beneath the mirror has been removed. Meanwhile, the mirror housing is hung beneath the structure via two brackets, rather than one, whilst the lower mount attaches directly to the mirror. Image Unavailable, Please Login Aston Martin AMR21 sidepod and engine cover packaging comparison Photo by: Uncredited The changes are not only isolated just to the frontal region of the sidepod though, as the ramped section of bodywork behind has also been addressed as part of the update (as made clear by the yellow line). The ramp has been lengthened quite significantly in order that it meets with the floor much further down the car. This has several ramifications, with not only the aerodynamic characteristics altered but also the internal flow for cooling revised too. This has also resulted in the engine cover bodywork being revised, with the cooling outlet shape revised to accommodate the longer ramp (see the section around the BWT logo), whilst the bulge that’s wrapped tightly to the larger inlet plenum on this year’s Mercedes power unit might have been altered subtly too. The team also had a new rear wing arrangement at Imola, with a spoon-shaped design used in preference to the conventional straight edge design. It’s a solution that the team has turned to before in its previous guises and will reduce the drag created at the outer extremities whilst still providing the downforce required from the central section. Image Unavailable, Please Login Lance Stroll, Aston Martin AMR21 Photo by: Charles Coates / Motorsport Images Aston Martin started out with the Z-shaped floor cutout that’s now preferred by most of the grid but its first effort was not quite as expansive as the new solution that arrived at the first race of the season. The latest solution puts the team at the furthest point on the cutout spectrum to date, with most of the floor returned parallel to the car’s centreline. There is also a double row of fins to direct flow at the start of the cut out and a boxed-in set of fins line the edge of the floor ahead of the rear tyre. Image Unavailable, Please Login Photo by: Giorgio Piola
Yes, unlike a team I won't mention that say it's not worth it to develop their car and sacrifice this year .
Why can’t you mention the team—afraid to be called a hater because you only come here to hate on the team you can’t mention? Did you mean Williams, maybe? https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/capito-williams-wont-sacrifice-2022-car-to-make-gains-in-2021/6115195/ Or AT? https://www.gpfans.com/en/articles/64201// Or Mercedes perhaps? https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mercedes-faces-tricky-decision-over-2021-vs-2022-split/6218342/ The only reason AM are making changes is because—just like last year, and after copying Merc again, they need to waste effort to develop the car to their own philosophy so they can somehow make it work—they need to save face after promising the moon and looking very ordinary. Side pods reverted to looking like last year’s car is a sign they took a gamble that didn’t work. The same way they’re on the back foot this year after all the development last year doesn’t bode well for next year either.
Normal for cost/benefit analysis to be applied. This is the last season for a given configuration. DO the best you can and not harm potential performance for next year and new rules, cars. Common sense it appears.
[AMuS] Aston Martin continues to threaten Image Unavailable, Please Login The dispute over the rule changes for 2021 between Aston Martin and the FIA continues to smolder. Now Mercedes is getting involved behind the scenes. Aston Martin boss Lawrence Stroll pulls out all the stops. Apparently now Toto is getting involved too, though with Mercedes still winning races, it will be difficult to find good arguments. "It is also not at all guaranteed that a subsequent voting would bring the necessary majority. Williams and McLaren would have to vote against their own interests." With McLaren doing so well at the moment, that's highly unlikely and Williams has a high-rake concept. full article translated: https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/formel-1/aston-martin-streit-aero-regeln-fia-mercedes-wolff-stroll/&prev=search&pto=aue
