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Aston Vantage V-8 4.3 vs 4.7?

Discussion in 'British' started by ferraripete, Apr 22, 2016.

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  1. ferraripete

    ferraripete F1 World Champ

    still suffering from analysis paralysis. please tell me more about the auto manual box. is it as bad as they say? is there a difference in the 6 sp version and the 7 sp? I have seen a few 4.7L cars with the auto that look simply as new. one is a lovely 2010 w/ nearly zero miles. thanks guys for putting up with me on this hunt.
     
  2. Aedo

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    You lost me with the "tiny" comment... park it next to your 308 or 512 or 930 and it won't appear "tiny" :)

    To my eye the Vantage just looks right... and is so much more beautiful than the Jag... proportions are incredible. I say just do it (which rolls of the tongue so easily and fluently when one isn't required to hand over the funds to buy the car!!) :D
     
  3. cls

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    I sold my Aston because of the auto. It's really behind the times.

    You will find yourself in traffic between gears and unable to accelerate to pass. It feels a little ridiculous in an Aston to not be able to pass a Honda...

    It also tends to lurch unexpectedly when it's trying to find a gear.

    All that, and the auto can stall on you. It happens most often when pulling into or out of a parking lot, something about the incline of a curb cut, the deceleration, then giving it some gas to move into the parking lot. With the glass key / emotion control unit... it can take a few minutes to restart using a combination of key push, shift, brake, car off, car on...etc..

    The transmission does well if you're manually shifting on an open road driving it medium to hard, otherwise it's a pain.
     
  4. SVCalifornia

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    Not my experience at all!

    2009 V8V is completely seductive. Intimate and sporty. Smaller than my 458 but manageable power. It is ideal for gliding! Looks beautiful cruising on the road, I love its stance.

    Have the F1 auto too. Not a great system for sure... likely its weakest link. Would love to see someone swap out for a DCT. That alone would transform the car.

    My friend with quite a collection of Ferraris tells me when he brings in visitors to his garage where I store the car, it always draws strong interest for its looks...

    SV
     
  5. Jeff328

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    I took my '07 4.3 V8 Vantage out for a fall evening romp last night and oh my God I love this car! Mine's a stick and I would not even consider the automanual.
     
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    #32 4th_gear, Oct 19, 2016
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    I test drove a new V12 Vantage S convertible about a year ago, thinking I would add a fun classic roadster for my countryside drives. They weren't offering manuals at the time as they now do. The auto paddle shifter was absolutely horrible. When you hit a point during spirited acceleration where you need to shift up, the thing hesitates for at least 0.5 second after you pull the paddle, the car stalls momentarily like the engine hit a dead spot and then it shifts.

    It reminded me of a driver new to manual transmissions, pausing way too long between declutching and clutching action. I took the car right back to the dealer. The car looked nice but was miserable to drive. Automatic paddle manual trannies as a concept does not work because you normally maintain throttle pressure when you use paddle shifters, so the AM tranny actually tries to mimic your lifting your foot off the throttle and in the process, destroys any chance of an intuitive connection between your foot and the throttle.

    OTOH, I think the new manual V12 Vantage S convertible should be really nice but I've already ordered a different much faster car.

    At for the V8 Vantage, the newer cars have all sorts of fixes and improvements over older ones and it's not just the 4.7L vs 4.3L engine... at all. You should look to pick at least a 2009 MY car if budget is not an issue - go for the manual transmission. There are also the later N420 and S models.

    As mentioned earlier, if you want to buy one of these cars, you would do (very) well to read (own) the The Definitive Guide... to these cars by Grant Neal. ;)
     
  7. cls

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    Sounds pretty much like the same experience.
     
  8. SVCalifornia

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    Not at all! My car doesn't lurch to find a gear. It is not DCT fast for sure, but it is quite useable. A manual might be better I think but this is far from a disaster. And a non-manual capable driver can still drive the car.

    My point is just that it could be better. But the car was also a third the price of the Ferrari! So expectations have to be measured.

    SV
     
  9. ferraripete

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    #35 ferraripete, Oct 20, 2016
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    Were there any comments or thoughts on the link for the car I posted in my previous post?

    The car is a 2010 at Bentley of Scottsdale. It indicates a 6sp auto-manual box. Curious as to why it has had 3 owners and only 500 miles from new? This is not exactly a collectible car to be preserved.

    Thoughts?
     
  10. nicholasn

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    Appears that the car has been sold.
     
  11. ferraripete

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    The car actually sold on Friday. I contacted the saleswoman Nancy and started the discussion on friday morning. The car appeared in detailed description and photos she provided to be as new. Only remote wear was where the handbrake rubbed against the seat.

    I decided I was going to go for it but she told me I was beaten to the punch.

    A bit disappointed I chose to look at three cars in the charlotte area yesterday. A 2013 6sp w/ 2k miles coupe for $75k. Also went to foreign cars Italian to look at two 2015 gt's with approx 500 miles for $98k.

    Bottom line was I love everything about the car but at 6-4 tall, I hate how I fit in the car. I was reminded that the car is tiny!

    A previous poster made reference to it being similar size as my 930 or even a bit larger. So not true. My 930 is cavernous by comparison and leg and headroom are in another league.

    The vantage is lovely but not for me. I finished the day disappointed that I would finally check the car off my list.
     
  12. ferraripete

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    Yes tiny. I stand by my original comment after giving the car another try. At 6-4 and 225, I simply could not find a position where the seat was low enough for my head not to rub the headliner. Back far enough for my legs to feel comfy and the seat when put all the way back was painfully upright. Both my boxer and 930 that you made reference to are both more roomy for me.
     
  13. Aedo

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    Understand! I read it as physical size not interior size (I'm 5'9" and easily fit in a Lotus Elise so interior size isn't ever high on my priorities).

    All the best finding something that works better for you!
     

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