Anyone know where I can get front brake pads for a non-Brembo - i.e. ATE calipered 456GT please ? seems the 456GT only had ATE calipers in 94/95, then switched to Brembo, and my car has ATE! Ferrari quote £570 ($700) for just front pads! Alternatively will 575 disks (Rotors) and Calipers fit under 18" 575 wheels on 456GT? wondering if they will fit instead, but making the car into a little non-OEM then.
Porterfield pads from Ricambi will be about 1/3 the price and twice as good. The ATE pads are shared with some Mercedes and Porsche models - IIRC, rear pads are the same as Porsche 928 fronts...
I had the same problem with my '94 456 which has the ATE or Teves caliper, the pad is made by Pagid and is a 'yellow grade' pad, I think it is used on some Mercedes cars, sorry don't know which model. You could try calling Pagid UK, I ended up getting a Pagid Blue grade pad fitted at Grimaldis which he had in stock ( I think it may be used on flat 12 Testrossas I can't remember, maybe give Rob a call ) and so far it has been fine including laps at Spa !!! The Pagid Blue grade has a slightly lower upper heat range I think, they do however squeal quite a bit though. The key thing is to get the correct pad shape and thickness/dimensions as they are different from the Brembo caliper pad. If I remember correctly the UK Pagid dealer could order the right one from the grade and the dimensions. It will of course be much cheaper than the Ferrari part but won't be in a yellow box !!!
Funnily enough, the Porterfield pads - the right part number - fit my ATE/Teves calipers perfectly....front & rear.
We have had multiple sets returned to us from 456GT owners on the ATE calipers complaining of misfitting. Do you recall the APxxx or FRPxxx numbers you installed? I would LOVE to have a reliable offering for the 456GT community, but feel like I've been burned too many times.
Pagid references... Ferrari Year Front RS 42 RS 44 RS 14 RS 19 RS 29 Rear RS 42 RS 44 RS 14 RS 19 RS 29 456 GT 94 - 96 1287 $245.78 $245.78 $262.42 $340.03 1203 $227.04 $227.04 $227.04 $292.16 $292.16
MM- Here is a Pagid list. Ferrari used Pagid 4-4 Orange pads in the Maranello and Superamerica Fiorano Handling Package calipers. If not properly bedded, though, they will squeal for few thousand miles. http://www.livermoreperformance.com/pagid.html#Ferrari Taz Terry Phillips Image Unavailable, Please Login
think I 've got the wrong info previously. Have now ordered Porterfields... AP561 (front) £123.33+VAT http://www.porterfield-brakes.com/product_info.php?productID=3088 (looks right for ATE - only fitment will confirm) AP345 (rear) £89.33+VAT just awaiting planes to deliver from US now the Ash Cloud has gone!!!
Anyone know if there is a serial number when the switchover occurred? I have a '95 assy number 17392. Is there a way to tell which one you have? Image Unavailable, Please Login
Cannot tell for sure from the parts catalog, but the caliper brake pipes changed at Assembly Number 23863. If that was because of a caliper change or not, no clue. There are good drawings of the Teves calipers in the 456 WSM, so you should be able to visually tell. Incidentally, the WSM says they used Pagid brake pads in the Teves calipers. Unfortunately, they used the same drawing in the 456M WSM. Taz Terry Phillips
The pic in the WSM sure looks like mine - was unsure whether this was a Teves or not, thanks Image Unavailable, Please Login
Front for PORSCHE: 86-88 944 Turbo, 91-94 911 Carrera 4S/Turbo Look, 92-95 968, 91-94 911 Carrera 2 Turbo Look, 78-89 911 Turbo Look, 90-94 911 Carrera 4, 90-93 Carrera 2, 92-95 968 Rear for PORSCHE: 86-91 944 Turbo, 78-89 930, 91-94 911 Carrera 4S/Turbo Look, 91-94 911 Carrera 2S, 92-95 968 Sport, 92-95 968, 90-91 944 w/Koni Sport Susp, 94 & 98 911 Carrera 2 Type 993, 91-94 911 Carrera 2 Turbo Look, 86-95 928, 78-89 911 Turbo Look, 91-92 911 Turbo Look 3.3L, 93-94 911 Turbo Look 3.6L, 90-98 911 Carrera 4, 94 911 Carrera Type 964, 92-93 95-97 911 Carrera 2, 92-95 968, 90-91 944 //FERRARI: 96-98 F355 Spider, 94-98 F355 GTS, 98 F355 F1, 94-96 F355 Berlinetta, 99-00 F355, 07-09 599 GTB Fiorano, 03-05 575 Maranello, 97-02 550 Maranello exc Fiorano, 92-94 512 TR, 95 512M, 02-04 456 M GTA w/ATE Cal, 02-04 456 M GT, 99-01 456 M, 97-99 456 GTA w/ATE Cal, 95-99 456 GT, 93-95 348 Spider, 93-94 348 GTS, 93-94 348 GTB, 89-92 348 TS, 90-92 348 TB Brembo Part Number: P85094 think this is it here.. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/290676705560?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649 EBC Yellow DP4612R http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EBC-YELLOWSTUFF-PORSCHE-944-2-5-Turbo-88-91-REAR-BRAKE-PADS-DP4612R-/270831144476?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3f0ecb4e1c http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EBC-YELLOWSTUFF-FERRARI-456-5-5-Brembo-92-2003-REAR-BRAKE-PADS-DP4612R-/270831008133?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3f0ec93985 EBC Red DP3612C http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EBC-REDSTUFF-REAR-BRAKE-PADS-PORSCHE-944-2-5-TURBO-85-88-DP3612C-/200847807312?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item2ec3765350 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EBC-REDSTUFF-FERRARI-456-5-5-ATE-92-2003-REAR-BRAKE-PADS-DP3612C-/270831382956?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3f0ecef1ac
Front for FERRARI: 456 except with Brembo Brakes, 512, MERCEDES-BENZ: 90-93 300CE/320CE To Ch: B862121, 93 300E 3.2L To Ch: B864307, 93 300E 3.0L, 300SL, 92 400E, 500E, 500SL, C36 AMG, 94-95 SL320, 94-98 SL500 Brembo Part number50010 Does it need sensors adding ? Think this it here... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/330692650404?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649 EBC Yellow DP4927R http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EBC-YELLOWSTUFF-FERRARI-456-5-5-ATE-92-2003-FRONT-BRAKE-PADS-DP4927R-/290618380000?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item43aa348ee0 EBC Red DP3927C - am tempted to get these - low dust http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EBC-REDSTUFF-FERRARI-456-5-5-ATE-92-2003-FRONT-BRAKE-PADS-DP3927C-/270831382970?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3f0ecef1ba EBC Ultimax DP927 for SL500 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FRONT-EBC-ULTIMAX-Brake-Pads-Mercedes-Benz-SL-500-Convertible-R129-1989-2001-/270928651052?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Car+Make%3AMercedes-Benz&hash=item3f149b232c
ebc yellow brake pads worked a treat. Exactly the same as the Porterfields I'd fitted previously. Discs if anyone in interested were Brembo OEM bought from parts suppliers on ebay!, details: front 315mm part number 09.5183.40 rear 310mm part number 09.5519.10 took me about 90 minutes per wheel to swap over, washers between caliper and hub are a pain, as they fall off easily. things to also consider: pads don't come with wear sensors - its an extra! job for me to sort sometime! rear discs have shoes inside them for the handbrake - might be a good idea to replace these at the same time. Hope this helps someone.
