Yes, you could be right. Not every mechanic in the shop is sent to FNA or to Italy. Because of that, it would be worth asking the question and asking for assurance. GO HEAT!
Ah, like they'd answer truthfully. They'd introduce you to the senior mechanic, then have the 23yo kid work on your car. lol.
I'm going to the shop this morning to drop off some new brake pads (the order arrived in two parts) for Vinnie to install. As most of you that know me have already figured out, I started this thread to make others aware of a new facility that may be more convenient. I also posted my impressions of both the shop appearance and the mechanic's background and attitude (attitude being the more important aspect to me). Anywho, go Heat, I guess (I'm not a big basketball fan)! I am surprised at how many posts this thread has generated so far. BT
Paulie, Coming from one who has been promotng a shop (on many different threads)that he has an interest in without disclosing it.....and a moderator no less. As for Ron he made false accusations but at least when he got called on it he may it clear that he had no such knowledge on the other hand you continue to hide the truth about your interest in the business. Your credibilty is shot (the PM's i have gotten show that most realize that you have an involvement in this shop and that your refusal to acknowledge that fact is obvious).
Sorry Ron but you are not correct. I just called FNA and to verify I also called Dealer and spoke with a service manager. Ferrari does not offer certificates on specific models it does provide specalized training on certain components for a specific model (ABS, FI, Brakes....) and offers a certificate of completion not unlike ASC does for the Auto Service Industry. A new Mechanic is sent to FNA for a 90 day training program that generally covers spedcific systems in current models being produced and dianostics. This confirms what I posted early on in response to the post that stated that the mechanic in question was certified Ferrari Mechanic. There is no such thing as Ferrari certified mechanic. Remember that since 1980 Ferrari has produced 20+ different models each with vehicle specific FI, Brake, AC Etc....systems, you would need a wall the size of the great wall to hang all the course completion certs and if you had them all when would you have had time to work on the cars??? Since Vinnie has refused to tell us which Specific Ferrari System Certs he has (if any) maybe BT will after his next visit post which ones he saw on the wall.
First let it be known that I have no dog in this fight. It is just interesting to me why Paulie would get slammed for being not so blatantly self promoting considering the treatment that Roy receives in the Lambo Chat threads and without trying to sound negetive or confrontational it doesn't get any more self promotional as some of those threads. Perhaps its just a regional thing and we all get too much sun here. Just my perception. OH....and I have had work done by Vinnie.......he knows his s***!.....period.
As stated, "some of you possibly have an interest in various Ferrari shops". NO mention was made of ownership concerning any of the shops mentioned. Obviously from the above words, some of you really do have an interest in local Ferrari shops, so I stick by my original statement. So no false accusation, in order to be using their equipment you may not have ownership, but you definetely do have an interest. All BT was doing was passing on information to those in north County. Possibly some of you missed the recent threads on mediocre Ferrari service in south Florida?? I added post #2 without knowing who Auto Italia was, Fred added post #3. I had no idea who enzo60 was, and in fact found his attitude negative enough that my first thought was that I would not want this guy working on my car. All Paulie did in post #4 was to be thankful for the kind words. And that is shameless self promotion? That is nuts!! What are they putting in the water in Sarasota?? If he started this thread on his own, I would agree with the reaction, but he didn't. Curiously, this obssessed reaction brings about many questions as to who really is making the misleading accusations. As for Ferrari certified mechanics, as I said before mechanics from franchised Ferrari stores are sent to FNA or Italy for training on new models. Its not like everyone in the shop figured out an Enzo without some education. They do receive a certificate to frame. Should they be called Certified Ferrari Mechanics? How about calling them Ferrari Mechanics Trained In XYZ Model Given A Certificate To Frame? Is that more accurate? Is that really worth all of this obssession just to be right over semantics? Therapy is usually recommended in these situations of pathos. GO HEAT!!!
I know nothing about Roy or Lambo Chat and nor do I really care. Paulie isn't getting slammed he just got exposed. As for Vinnie this issue has never been negative about him or even questioned his abilities but some like to spin it that way to take the heat off Paulie.
Ron, Here is a quote from your response to my PM to you after you made that FALSE Acusation referring to Luciano's. ".....Then I heard that you might even own a piece of it." The interest you were speaking about was clear (ownership) and now you are trying to make an end run! Spin it anyway you want but you made false accustations " on good Authority" and now you want to use semantics to cover your butt. You went dirty and got busted....it is what it is. Next time keep quiet unless you have some real authority to make your accusations.
Would that be the one where Paulie B. posted Auto Italia's phone more then once????? I Think so. Check the last Shelton thread.
Sloane, would you like me to send the PM's that I received about you? Don't you have to get ready for earlybird lunch?
Were they from Barton? (good authority) It's EarlyBird Dinner not lunch Earlybird lunch would be brunch...... Congrats....you learned how to do the quote function!
Who is really using semantics to cover their obssessive behavior? It is obvious it is you. No false accusations from me, I never said you own anything, your own words and obssessive behavior indicate that although you say you have no ownership, you do have a interest in Lucianos. You are lying to state differently. I will assume it is also not true that you have periodically promoted this shop at the monthly Sarasota dinners? You are behaving as if you are guilty of something. Next time it is you that should just keep quiet instead of creating a problem where one didn't exist. I have no knowlege if Paulie has real ownership in Auto Italia anymore than you have in Luciano's. This has never been a discussion I have had with anyone. Paulie did not start this thread and self promote anything, so for you to suggest this is an absolute lie. Do you hear that? It's an absolute lie! You came on and started accusations just because he said thanks to BT in post #4! I would agree with you if he started the thread, but he didn't. You went on to question other comments by BT, and then you decided to start with accusations and inuendos after a few other posts, like suddenly you got a burr up your posterior. I do not enjoy insulting anyone, but your behavior is complete lunacy. You were looking to create a problem. None, n-o-n-e existed. This thread would have just died peacefully. Sadly, this has been you MO for as long as I have been reading these threads on FChat. When you make a valid point, you know I come out and agree with you, but in this case, your head is up your anal cavern. I stick by my comments and their accuracy. In my opinion, your behaviour creates an embarrassment on this forum. This last post by you demonstrates that you will say anything so you do not have to admit you are wrong. That isn't going to work Paul Sloan. By continuously adding your denial to this thread and bumping it to the top, you have done more to promote Auto Italia than anyone else. The owners of that shop owe you a big thank you. Possibly you also have an interest in Auto Italia and this is just a big ruse for shameless self promotion? Enough of your denial, this is futile. Time to be serious for the day. GO HEAT!!!
End run, spin, semantics, ownership, interest, certificates.... I wish all these words could be prohibited from this thread. It was my bad for claiming 'Ferrari and Lamborghini certified'. It was Paul Sloan's bad for making a federal case of this. It was Vinnie's bad for feeling too defensive after reading Paul Sloan's comments. I still say Vinnie is a good mechanic. BT
Your really are taking over for Barton. Talking about making statements that are just so wrong that they are almost bizzare. The Sarasota Dinners were started 5 years ago by Luciano's Customers, Scuderia Sarasota was originally called Scuderia Sanzogni but the name was changed so that you did not feel that you had to be a customer of Luciano's to be welcome. Why would I promote Luciano's at the dinners??? 95% percent of those that attend are his customers and most were his customers prior to the dinners...that is how I get there e-mail addresses to send invites. But then you have never been to a dinner so you must have this promotion nonsense from your "good authority". Time to get a new source. What else is interesting is that I do not promote Luciano's on FC, I do not pop up in threads and say call Luciano's as Paulie B. has been doing constantly with auto italia. In fact the only thread were I have mentioned Luciano's in months was last week when someone was looking for a PPI in Sarasota and I responded as I do PPI privately but turned that one down as I no the owner and I would not be independent. Now we find out that Paulie B. has a financial interest in Auto Italia so his promotions in all the other threads are not just to be helpful but to enrich himself. First of all my initial response was to BT post were he said the Mechanic was Ferrari and Lambo Certified which is a falsehood and misleading.....but I don't think BT was doing it intentionally. I question this statement as I thought it should be clarified. To this date we still do not know what systems on what models he has a certificate for but we do know that Ferrari does not offer general Ferrari training certification by Model. When Paulie B. thanked BT for his kind words about Auto Italia it clicked for me that Paulie B. had a more than passing interest in this company and that all his promotions in all the other threads were not just be helpful. to confirm this I asked Paulie B. if had business interest in this company and low and behold I got the "none of your business" response which we all know is a dumb answer as it all but confirms that he does.....When Vinnie responded with same answer it was "iceing on the cake". It was now clear that Paulie B was using FChat to funnel bussiness to this shop. You may think it is harmless but I think Paulie B's. action are underhanded and an abuse of a trust. You have been anything but accurate and that has been proven from your statements about me and Luciano's you have relied on old Barton material and that has made you look foolish....the one above about the dinners is the best yet (promoting Luciano's at the dinners.....how moronic). You took upon yourself to come out of know where and attack me (and with false material no less). Who are you the FCHAT protector??? Paulie B. got outed and you didn't like that so you chose to attack me. You should be offended that Paulie B. has been doing what he has been doing (do a search of his posts and see how many he has made promoting this company) I hope Vinnie is succesful and have never ever made this thread about him personally (I still think he should post his certs)....I hope he realizes who he is in bed with (not literally). At the end of the day you choose to attack me (why is really beyond me) with some really old and outdated material that could have only come from Barton. Those that know me know it is not true but it shows that you will go to great depths to trash someone. The only two that should be embarassed here are you for your off the wall attacks and Paulie B. for using FChat to funnel business his way. By the way if Paulie had denied an interest then nothing would have been made of it but the none of your business response (from both parties) set it off.
Paul Sloan, this is your self appointed position. Otherwise we would not be having this discussion, now would we. This last post demonstrates your dilusional behavior. No one lied about you, no one attacked you until you threw out the first false statement, you did not "out Paulie" as there was nothing to out as he did not start this thread, you did not prove anything except that you need attention, I feel sorry and embarrassed for you. I enjoy a good debate when the mind I am debating is standing on solid ground, but you are on quicksand. There is absolutely no sane reason to continue any conversation with you. Feel free to continue rant about nothing without further response. Having a conversation with yourself should prove interesting, no one wins. Certainly keeping this thread at the top is helping Auto Italia, the owners probably appreciate this.
Apparently the 'Go Heat' responses were very influential in getting a win last night. Please continue to post them. First U of F wins the NCAA and now maybe the Heat wins the NBA title? I hope this does not mean football is dead in Florida. BT