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  1. Juan-Manuel Fantango

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    #76 Juan-Manuel Fantango, May 10, 2017
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    5 pilots have died??? or I think you mean the A5 pilots who died where test pilots?
     
  2. Juan-Manuel Fantango

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    Oh my, KarKow was the chief engineer, and very, very well respected in his field...


    https://www.wired.com/2017/05/icon-a5-crash-kills-2-including-unique-planes-lead-engineer/

    https://gearpatrol.com/2017/05/09/jon-karkow-aviation-loses-a-star/

    Karkow, a highly regarded engineer, spent more than two decades with Burt Rutan’s Scaled Composites, an outfit known for designing unconventional aircraft. There, Karkow led the development of more than 20 aircraft programs, including adventurer Steve Fossett’s Virgin Atlantic GlobalFlyer. (Fossett flew the plane around the world twice, setting multiple records.) Karkow, also the program’s chief test pilot, won a 2006 Aeronautics Laureate Award from Aviation Week & Space Technology for the achievement. He worked on the development of SpaceShipTwo, the commercial suborbital spacecraft being developed by Richard Branson’s Virgin Galactic, before joining Icon about nine years ago.



    The fatal crash is particularly distressing given the safety-first design of the aircraft, and Karkow’s experience piloting far more radical aircraft while at Scaled Composites. It’s unknown whether Karkow was testing or demonstrating the spin-resistance of the wing design at the time of the crash, and whether that or another flaw or structural failure contributed to the accident. The destruction of the aircraft on the lakeshore, visible in photographs, suggests a steep vertical descent. The National Transportation Safety Board expects to publish a preliminary report by the end of next week.
     
  3. NürScud

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    Yes, my mistake...

    R.I.P :(
     
  4. Juan-Manuel Fantango

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    Just the modern version of walking into a prop. Both quick and messy.
     
  6. Juan-Manuel Fantango

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    Here's the one where the Navy crewman survives. I wonder why it backfired or whatever the correct term for this is? Something must have gone through the fans?

    https://youtu.be/v2v1Pgpzp88
     
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    If you watch the video he said hi head gear and clothing were sucked into the fan. The disruption of flow caused a compressor stall resulting in flames out the tailpipe.

    A little over 10 years ago a mechanic was sucked into a 737 in El Paso.

    Accident: Continental B737 at El Paso on Jan 16th 2006, ground mechanic sucked into engine
     
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    Be aware of your surroundings. Always.

    My uncle was a Naval Ordnanceman (O-3) for the VFA-125. He had some stories. At the time, the A-8 Crusader had another nick-name. 'The People Eater'. Deck crews not using their safety awareness while doing their checks, were sucked right in. It would just grab a deck crew member and suck 'em right in. Carrier would return to port with a negative body count.
    The next time you are visiting an F-14 at a museum, take a good look at the intakes and envision this; While the Tomcat was hooked for a cat-shot idling, deck crews crawled around under the Tomcat to perform their checks, but there was one particular way to approach the Tomcat head-on to get in between the running engines. The ONLY way deck crews were allowed to proceed was to come under the front toward the nose gear, touch the forward gear tires and make their way centerline under the Tomcat. After crews performed their checks, they exited out from under the running Tomcat the same way they entered. No deviation. None. You do, and you're gone *snap* just like that.
     
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    Hey, let the man eat.




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    #86 Juan-Manuel Fantango, Jun 4, 2017
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    In retrospec, not a good title for a thread. It was a human life and tragic, just unfortunate that it was the first thing that popped in my mind. That big fan is the nearest thing to a food processor that I can think of. Bad about that sometimes, my filter was broken this morning.
     
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    This is why I work on cars. A brain fart around an aircraft is serious injury or death.
     
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    I don't really know for sure, but I'm guessing these things don't suck people in at idle power. Little twigs and stuff like that, sure. Even pebbles won't go in at idle power for an F-16 and we had a huge intake just above the nose gear.
     
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    I always go back to when I was hand propping a Stearman and the instructor on board with a student started energizing the booster mag just as I got my hands on the blade to pull it through. The engine started, I guess because I had one cylinder on the compression stroke. What I did or how I did it to miss the prop blades is beyond me but I somehow missed getting hit by the Macauley steel prop blades. I did feel the blade hit my pants leg. The airport manager saw it and hotly reamed out the instructor who wasn't the sharpest tool in the box to begin with.
     
  16. Juan-Manuel Fantango

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    Do they always wait for DNA proof?

    Kathryn's Report

    "The man was from the Western United States and worked for Hawaii-based Trans-Pacific Jets for about one year. He was older than his 33-year-old co-pilot and had 15 to 20 years of flying experience.

    The man worked for a variety of charter companies. According to public records, the aircraft he flew was built in 1981 and owned by A&C Big Sky Aviation LLC in Billings, Montana.

    Still, a full month later, authorities have not released the name of the pilot of the LearJet 35 that crashed May 15 in Carlstadt on approach to Teterboro Airport.

    The fiery accident killed First Officer Jeffrey Alino of Union, who was identified by fingerprints, and Alino's piloting partner, who remains unidentified."

    "It's weird," said Joe Orlando, spokesman for the borough of Carlstadt. "You would think after all this time we would have heard something. I can't figure out why we only have one name."
     
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    I think that is very odd as well.
     
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    even with no ability to ID, wouldn't there be some other way of knowing? flight plan, manifest, corporate or FAA records, etc?

    or is there a reason it's being withheld?
     
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    I suspect that they do know, in practicality. It may just be impossible to confirm.

     
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    That's what I was thinking just interesting to hear his instructor basically blame it on the plane. At least that's the way I took it. But only he knows, his friend is dead.

    We were coming around what's called a left base to come in to land, and the plane did a couple of very erratic maneuvers I would never do, and John would never do so their had to be a reason," explains Greiner.

    Greiner has no independent memory of what happened that day. All of his accounts were told to him by others.

    "There's speculation, but nobody really truly knows exactly what happened," says Greiner.

    The accident left him with severe traumatic brain injury. Allema
     
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    He's been a mess his whole life, it's really sad.
     
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    rich guys problems
     

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