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Bang and Smoke

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  1. 360dubai

    360dubai Rookie

    May 9, 2013
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    Hi guys,

    I'm quite new to this.... I own a 360 modena and I have done about 5 k on it.
    I bought it with 75 k and now almost 80 k km done.
    Timing belts and major service was done at 75 K km.
    Took it out for a spin and heard two pops from the exhaust. Nothing major.
    About 20 km. further a big pop or bang and lots of smoke. Now the engine sounds like a lot of misfiring ... Any ideas ?? Car has always been ship shape maintained...

    Sad day...

    Thanks

    Sven
     
  2. 360dubai

    360dubai Rookie

    May 9, 2013
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    Hi guys,

    I'm quite new to this.... I own a 360 modena and I have done about 5 k on it.
    I bought it with 75 k and now almost 80 k km done.
    Timing belts and major service was done at 75 K km.
    Took it out for a spin and heard two pops from the exhaust. Nothing major.
    About 20 km. further a big pop or bang and lots of smoke. Now the engine sounds like a lot of misfiring ... Any ideas ?? Car has always been ship shape maintained...

    Sad day...

    Thanks

    Sven
     
  3. English Rebel

    English Rebel Formula 3

    Aug 13, 2013
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    Any CEL or other lights?
    Alan
     
  4. mike01606

    mike01606 Formula Junior

    Feb 21, 2012
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    Do you know if it is mechanically intact? Oil slicks? What colour is the smoke?.....

    It doesn't sound too good TBH so I would get it assessed by a decent technician without driving it or starting it further.
     
  5. 360dubai

    360dubai Rookie

    May 9, 2013
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    Thanks for the fast reply guys!
    No lights , no oil leak…at first sight.When i try to start it the engine rotates , but sounds like it is completely misfiring. When I try to throttle the engine stalls .
    No lights and on start up procedure the display shows engine ok.
    Hope it is not to bad…but fearing the worst...
     
  6. vrsurgeon

    vrsurgeon F1 World Champ
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    Yeah if its your timing belt this won't end well.. this is too much for an internet diagnosis. Sorry man... you need someone with hands on the car.
     
  7. 993man

    993man Formula Junior
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    I know very little about these cars really having only owned mine for a bit over a year.
    In the past I have had a few issues with misfire and things.
    Every time a reset seems to have sorted this out.

    If you haven't tried this yet, there is an isolater under the front hood. Turn it off for a while and see if that helps.
    Like I say, I don't really know but that's where I would start.

    Don't panic until you try the normal things, but others will chime in.

    Cheers
     
  8. vrsurgeon

    vrsurgeon F1 World Champ
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    Please see responses to your other post. Mods may combine please..

    Smoke.. car needs hands on it in person...
     
  9. BMWManiac

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    Apr 22, 2007
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    All I know, is that big pop, bang, smoke = stop trying to start the car/drive it and have it towed to a competent shop....you are doing more damage than good at this point
     
  10. 360dubai

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    Good news!!! I had over topped the engine fuel , apparently by quite a bit because of a bad read out on the dipstick myself....stupid me. The workshop said that i did the right thing , stop driving and on the recovery truck to the workshop. Once there, they investigated everything and seems that due to overtopping the oil got in to the manifold!? So they drained the excess .....100
     
  11. azcarguy

    azcarguy Formula Junior

    Nov 21, 2003
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    Glad to hear it was something minor. This is a frequent occurrence as most (even dealers and well known independents) overfill. I always keep it .5 under in my current CS as I have in my previous 360 and first CS and never have an issue. The key is to monitor consumption and fill accordingly.
     
  12. Mozella

    Mozella Formula Junior

    Mar 24, 2013
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    Actually, the most important key is to check the oil level with the engine warm and RUNNING. Topping off the oil level with the engine off is the cause of most overfilling problems.
     
  13. vrsurgeon

    vrsurgeon F1 World Champ
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    Glad it was something simple.
     
  14. azcarguy

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    That's in the manual, didn't think we needed to take to remedial car care 101.......
     
  15. Ingenere

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    Glad that turned out well! It had 'catastrophic failure' written on it!

    Hey AZ car guy.... When are we going to see your CS at an event? :)
     
  16. azcarguy

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    As soon as there's an event in or around Tucson ;) Phoenix is just a little to far to be considered "convenient", but you never know
     
  17. 360dubai

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    I ment engine oil of course , not engine fuel.... 80 euro's was my bill....;-)))!!! So happy...
     
  18. 993man

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    Told you not to panic :)

    Glad it's a simple fix.
     
  19. Mozella

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    Mar 24, 2013
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    Take a look around this forum or any other forum including those dedicated to washer/dryers or refrigerators or lawnmowers.

    A huge percentage of questions/problems could be easily answered/solved if the owner simply read the owner's manual.

    This includes overfilling dry sump engines like the one in the 360 by NOT following the procedure in the owner's manual.

    You may think this is simple stuff, but it's quite clear that at least some people don't understand how to check the oil in a Ferrari and that includes some mechanics. The other approach is to believe that people read and understand the owner's manual and overfill their engine oil on purpose. That, in my opinion, is not impossible, but much less likely.
     
  20. English Rebel

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    Tell me about it!! I had just got mine and took it to my indie mechanic for its annual. He gave me a quart of oil and told me to double check the level when I got home. Got it home and the next day checked the oil level and it only just shows on the dipstick -- EGADS. I called my mechanic in panic and asked how much should I add. He said NONE. That's when I found out how to check a Ferrari oil level. :)
    Alan
     
  21. Chiaroman

    Chiaroman Formula 3
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    Just asking...

    Is it really necessary to check the oil level when an owner has it changed once a year?

    I never checked the oil and probably never will.

    I don't check it in any of the other vehicles I own.

    As long as there are no puddles on the floor or smoke out the back...what's the big deal?

    Besides...You have about 10 to 11 quarts so you could loose 10 percent and still function.
     
  22. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    No one reads the manual. We call it the Top Secret Manual in the glove box. What is really amusing is when I get a call from someone out on the road somewhere needing to know where a fuse is and they tell me they keep the books at home. At least 50% of the cars I work on the owners keep the books at home. Why? Do people give any thought why the manufacturer goes to the expense of printing them?

    The term RTFM didn't make it into the American lexicon because people actually read those things.
     
  23. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    I never do. Once you have a baseline it is for the most part a feel good thing. The dip stick in my cars are for when I change oil.


    No smoke really means nothing though. Many catalyzed cars can use a lot of oil and never smoke.
     
  24. carcommander

    carcommander Formula 3

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    Hell a bunch of my cars don't even have dip sticks.
     
  25. DoctorWill

    DoctorWill Formula Junior

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    They should just make the manual in PDF so we can read it on our phone. I always feel like taking the deadweight out of my car.


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