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  1. staatsof

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    BIN $675k A bit optmistic.
     
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    This one will be fun to watch
     
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    that was my $50,000 bid. spoke to middle man. he sent me a clip two min. long. there are NO records! these things are astronomical to repair. I remember a Euro owner that spent a million bringing one back to life. I am not finished bidding
     
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    Damn you mitchell, so it was you who outbid me then! :D

    I bid $2K.

    WO documentation as to what's been done and when from a race ready perspective this is merely a museum piece and it's highly unlikely to be worth the ask. You will lose a huge amount of $$$$. If that matters.

    If it's all currently up to snuff for driving then you have to ask yourself what's that worth?
    And you have to drive and enjoy it. It can't legally be driven on the road but if You've got spots in Kentucky that feel comfortable sneaking out on so what then ...

    I think they may have traded for north of $200K in the past but I have no proof and how many did. Perhaps Enrico has some information?

    I don't know who told you they spent $ 1mil restoring one but they were idiots if they spent that much.

    Finally, if you did want to drive it fast at the track just consider what protection is offered the occupants in this car.

    I think they're neat. I saw the cobbled up remains of one at the factory in 1994. The late 1990's was the time to buy these.
     
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    I agree with all you say. A German spent that money. I could not understand how but look at my garage project. It can be done.
     
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    I think this one may be the same one that I saw at the factory. Which means not very much ... :D

    Where is the car actually located?

    There is one in PA that's been here for years - see Enrico's registry. My photos.

    You buy it, bring it to Pocono and I'll drive it at the track! LOL
     
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    Is your driving skill still that good. I am impressed
     
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    Oh I think I can pilot just about anything around the Pocono track but yes it's been a while since I've driven at the limit (mine) at the track. I think this was a pretty good handling car too. I've never even seen one in motion though. It's built on a long running design theme of De Tomaso's. He did the Guara (similar but with a body and various other engines - all V8s) as well and I have seen a couple of those run at Pocono.
     
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    Hi,

    From the chassis number, this car was sold to Japan by Daniele Neri of Modena.
     
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    Sorry mate, that is nonsense. It is true that most molds of the body are not existing any more, but as long as you not crash the car heavily it is no problem to maintain them. Engine is bulletproof anyway. I know what I am speaking about: great cars fro circuit and even road!

    If it is indeed THB CMS LLA - it should have a lot of documentation and it is a genuine car. It was for long years in Japan and seems now to be in the US.

    I would see prices in the range of at least 250,000 to 350,000 USD these days, as most of these cars are in collections since some time and not on (any) market.
    Given the recent value rise of Bugatti EB110, Jaguar XJ220, etc. the Barchetta is the one "forgotten" 90s supercar with minimal production numbers. Rarety is all that counts on the market today and the Barchetta has a lot of what it takes.
    As written many times before: the Barchetta was Maserati's return to racing after a lot of years and with the (financial) ability of the company back then they did a great job. Just check who owned/drove these cars back then (and now)

    Now I am awaiting the endless "I know better about the DeTomaso-Maserati years" comments, mostly from people who never touched the subject in reality.
     
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    Incorrect, Mr. Neri made fakes/replicas and was subsequently punished. This car has the approval from Maserati and Dott. Orsi/Historica Selecta.

    @Staatsof: The last car I know of sold well north of 200k USD in 2013.
     
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    Sorry, again some details on the currently for sale Barchetta: note the black seats, the alloy front spoiler and some more Features - the car was indeed the first of the batch and a bit different from the rest. In my oppinion - and I am not affilitaed in any way to the seller - a great car and to my knowledge in Japan with a very prominent owner (sharing the garage then with 333SP, F40, ...)
    Better have a second look.
     
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    The problem here is the ask price which Is why I still say you'll lose your shirt.
    Another problem and perhaps this is just the seller's ineptitude is the saying that there is no documentation. That's rather odd. Identifying the car is rather easy as long as this is a legitimate sale.

    I think they're neat. But they have never gotten the sort of fanfare that the cars you mention have even if well known collectors such as Nick Mason and others have owned them. As an investment it is a huge risk at that price and since there have not been a lot of these changing hands over the years when it's time to sell you will not see the sort of clamouring to buy one on the high profile auction stage.

    I remember several of them being up for sale over the years on Enrico's website and they didn't go like hot potatoes. That being said THIS is a very good time to be selling it, perhaps the late spring or summer would be even better.

    That price sounds like the number's I remember being the very highest rumoured sales
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    I hadn't heard about the replicas thing. Was that the one cobbled together from leftover parts or something? He wasn't making multiple copies or something right?

    Punished? How exactly?

    Does anyone know anything about where this car is actually located now or the sales agent?

    As for being utilized on the road, not here which is where Bundas would be doing it.

    In terms of a racing history other than some appearances at club or vintage events this has none AFAIK except for the single marque series. A few of the GOC cars actually have a lot more though this is IMHO a purpose built real racecar.

    So perhaps you're correct and this will be it's coming out party on the world stage. I hope you are right. Ghibli Open Cups next! :)
     
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    Panini Collection, Thomas Bscher, Hubert Hahne, Montezemolo...

    The last one from the UK went like a hot potatoe, I know it was well north of 200k US.

    At least 4 cars changed hands in the last three year.

    No, at least one car got a fake identity, probably the one mentinoned from a German guy that spent some $$$ on it. That car was a total write off, I have somewhere a photo of a part that remained at the crash during a road test. And it was not a big part, but one of the few worth collectiong :) ... So definately a fake identity.

    Punished? How exactly? Well...

    I do not know about US Registration, but in the UK it is surley possible - and at least four cars are road registered and frequently used (mostly in Germany)

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    See the only thing you could really go wrong is buy a car which has not been serviced a long time or has parts missing that take time to replace.
    Given the fact that odd testarossas sell for 120k plus, F40s in the million, recent feature of EB110 in Octane - it IS a forgotten supercar. We want to see these cars back on the field and please do not forget:if not Ferrari had not intervent there would have been a road Version (which was well developed) F did intervene as they feared the comparision of a well developed barchetta to the then about to arrive F50. F50 surely more refined, but could it match a 750kg car with lots of turbo power on the track...? Think about it - and the others who take a look at Barchettas these days should do as well.
     
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    I'm glad to see you are such a fan but ... This car a very light on refinements, some of them quite important such as driver safety. But if you're only collecting so what. Then in that case what has the car actually shown the world? It never got the chance. The ask is absurd. It's absurd for a lot of cars these days. Over $20K for a Sunbeam Tiger! :eek: Caveat Emptor.

    Let's see what it bids to on eBay, if this is even a real car.
     
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=carnGNdQOWg


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    Robert, I know you are a knowledgable man in terms of Maserati - and high-end BiTurbos. Without Barchetta Project, I doubt that Ghibli Open Cup would have ever happend...
    The refinement is a matter of its time - do not see a lot of refinement (and safety) in any early 90s high-end cars.
    Maserati was brave enough to do it from scrath, do it "lightweigth", do it sympatically positiv. - If a Ferrari that basic, hard, quick and mean would have been around - People would have applauded. With Maserati they try to find the hair in the soup.

    It is a great concept, it worked, serious racers were in the Grantrofeo (think about the Bscher-Nielsen relation which led to the MC F1 LeMans win...) and it would have made a great sportscar for the road for real men, not posers.

    Just to make clear: I do not care what the ebay car - if it is real - goes for. It is just exactly the way you mention regarding today's market: if a testarossa 125k North, Mercedes 190 SL 200k..., and so on reflect where the market stands - These cars are massively undervalued for what they are.
     
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    I never really thought about the Barchetta and GOC having any sort of link other than being a factory organized (if one can even use that word) single model series. So after that ran reasonably well I suppose you could say it paved the way a bit. Certainly no significant technical stuff made it to the GOC series. That was all handled by an outside Alfa race tuning specialist. The first year was something of a mess from what I've heard and then the EVO upgrade which really didn't address all of the issues either was canceled almost as soon as it started.

    Later on is when some significant progress was made. But you'd be hard pressed to turn one of those cars back into a street Ghibli II like the original vision of this series was. Some people did this with the first year series.

    Whom do I see about all the stuff that was taken out of my GOC since it WAS paid for it should be mine right? LOL :D Actually I think I know, that same Alfa tuner. They contacted me once about buying some of it. Chutzpah! Oh they probably didn't get fully paid or something?

    Anyway, I'm not trying to find the hair in the soup here. I'm just realist about comparing it with an EB110, or F40 or F50 ... etc. The guy in PA over here has all of those cars plus the Barchetta. He collects garbage for a living - true story LOL :D

    His EB110 is the dual fuel experimental project that was done by I thought Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute?

     
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    Presently this auction needs a big push start. Wrong venue IMHO.

    But has anyone else looked up the seller? :eek: Not sure this is even real.
     
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    I think the perception is quite a bit different in the USA, always has been for "certain" Maseratis.
     
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    There is very strange assertion being made about the car there. It's like the person listing it knows absolutely nothing about the car. I guess the car is in the USA now? It's a very neat car it's a shame to see it being represented so poorly. I'll let people make up their own minds about the ask ...

    This is so odd that I have to wonder if this is just a scam?
     

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