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  1. RickLederman

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  3. CrazyMD

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    It's really heavy and the angle you have to install it in is awkward. I did it by myself but it definitely would help to have a helping hand. If doing alone use some small bungee cords to help hold the terminal wires out of the way


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  4. otakki

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    Getting the battery in at an awkward angle combined with a weight like that is the perfect recipe for getting those discs to slip beyond the vertebral bodies.

    Thanks for the link in addition to the part number you have provided earlier. Definitely very helpful.

    I'll probably have my wife stand nearby and help yank on the terminal wires, also just in case my back fails me and my torso ends up slumping down across the engine bay.
     
  5. MarkCollins

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    Unfortunately I have to add my experience of FF battery problems on my new to me 2012 FF. Battery is lasting just 3 days before the Navtrak system shows a flat battery fault and battery is completely flat, not even enough power to drop the window when opening the door. I'd been monitoring it on a Ctek Battery sense and it was 100% on Friday, tender removed, 86% o nSaturday, I didn't check it yesterday but at 9am this morning it was completely flat. Ctek reconditioner says it's good i.e. al cells working and taking a full charge.

    I contacted the dealer suggesting it needs a new battery but they say a new one was fitted the week before I collected the car (4 weeks ago) so they want the car back as they say something must be draining it
     
  6. MarkCollins

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    As a matter of interest my car is fitted with HELE (not used it) and I wondered if the battery spec is different for a HELE equipped car?

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  8. uhn2000

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    Interesting, I have never had a battery issue and I leave it in some cold places. I will only charge it if we are leaving the FF for longer then a week.
     
  9. RickLederman

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    I think the secret in the FF is to never let it go down, and a week seems to be OK. For me it seems to have been three weeks is the magic point that kills the battery. I think my first FF had one that lasted only one or two months then the next lasted a year+ until I sold it.
     
  10. otakki

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    It sounds like the quality of the battery is definitely the problem. Of course, never let it go down certainly wouldn't hurt either.
     
  11. deltona

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    Factory FIAMM batteries are substandard. Not helped by the fact that many cars have a completely flat battery before they are delivered to customers. Lead acid batteries do not like being completely drained and left that way for days/weeks/months. Dealers will charge the battery before the car is delivered to the customer but the damage may already be done. The internal resistance of the battery can rise and there is no way back.

    I have had issues in Ferrari and Maserati over many years, both FIAMM, issues have all gone with a new quality battery.

    A new quality battery will solve a host of niggles that we see time and time again on this board, plus if course keeping the tender on when possible if the car is left for more than a few days.
     
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  13. MarkCollins

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    Completely agree with yu Justin, on mine it's possible a new battery was fitted and then the car went other paint shop for 2.5 weeks, almost certainly drained in that time and now it won't take a full charge. It looks like it's a Banner battery that's been fitted, probably on a par, quality wise, with Fiamm!
     
  14. tomc

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    I recall reading HELE battery specs are diff. As I recall, it is a bigger battery than in a non-HELE car. Am not able to lay my hands on the story now, though.
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  15. otakki

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    Ferrari should just make it a company policy to inform every customer to buy a quality aftermarket battery and put it on conditioner/charger, to be ready to be installed 1st thing upon delivery of the vehicle. Maybe every dealership should have those quality batteries on display in their gift shop area.
     
  16. MarkCollins

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    Well I think I've identified the problem, the car has electronic close on the tailgate and the switch has been sticking in, even though the tailgate is closed and it's clear the motors are not running somehow the circuit is putting a massive drain on the battery.

    I've had the switch disconnected for 4 days now and the battery, even with deliberate usage i.e. ignition, lights, stereo etc all on with engine stopped the battery is still at 83% this morning.

    The reason the switch is sticking is the mounting hole is slightly too small and pinching the switch mechanism, it's obviously been a problem before as the switch has had a repair I guess because somebody was a little ham fisted trying to take it apart previously.

    Now will start the battle to get the dealer to replace the switch, having said that it's only about $100 so perhaps i'll just buy one!
     
  17. deltona

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    Great diagnostics Mark! I was going to say that its probably a generic switch used by other manufacturers. Maybe take a close look at the switch and see if it has markings you can search for. Having said that for Ferrari $100 is almost a bargain!
     
  18. otakki

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    Indeed great diagnostic skill there!
     
  19. MarkCollins

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    #66 MarkCollins, Dec 9, 2016
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    thanks and yes I will look as I'm sure you're right it'll not be a special part.

    Interestingly I let an ad agency use my 458 Spider for some adds for Ctek for their Battery sense product and they sent me one around a Year ago, I fitted it to the FF and it gives useful info on battery status, see image below
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  20. Replevin

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    Two questions for this thread:

    1. I bought a CTEK charger and have been using that for the last several months. I was gone for a little over a week and now the FF will not charge past "4" on the charger. Assuming this means my battery is done and I need a new one?

    2. Changing the battery - I looked at the service manual instructions and also under the hood and see the cover for the battery (which I removed). But only about 2/3rds of the battery is exposed. Do I need to pull the battery out from that end? Or can you remove the entire cover and just pull it up (does this make sense)? Also, the service manual discussed disconnecting power steering fluid reservoir. Any tips on that?

    Many thanks.
     
  21. Greg23

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    Never had an issue with the FF battery over 2 FFs and 4 years. Sometimes left it outside in sub zero temperatures for over a week! Always great to use the battery tender!
     
  22. asphaltca

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    Do you care to share that FF service manual? I can not seem to source one out.
     
  23. Replevin

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  24. MAPS

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    Wow! I'm considering buying a used FF but after reading this thread about this batteries issue makes me feel a bit concerned because this is could be the kind of issue that would completely spoil the "magic" of owning such a special car (for me ;) )

    Is it mainly a US "thing" or its spread accross EU too?
     
  25. deltona

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    Once the factory supplied FIAMM battery (poor quality) is changed most owners have seen any problems disappear.
     
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  26. MAPS

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    Thanks!

    To replace the battery wouldn't be an issue i suppose.
     
  27. Batmobile99

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    Nobody has tried any lithium batteries?
     
  28. vraa

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    There has been good discussion on them, I just don't want to drop the coin on one :(
     

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